RavenMorganLeigh wrote:

besleybean wrote:

I actually think a lot of people are turned off Sherlock because it is just too clever.
In my experience, most of the population watch absolute trash and like everything very simplistic.
Even my own parents(who are 2 of the smartest cookies I know) said they just couldn't get TAB at all and admitted it was because it was far too clever for them.

Actually-- there are all these unresolved plot points and such... that might have something to do with it. 

I agree. And it remains to be seen how clever Mofftiss and their show really are. If they continue with stacking unresolved plot point upon unresolved plot point... well. It's all well and good to make things a bit more complicated than in your average tv show, but in the end you really have to deliver. Or it's not that clever after all.

Schmiezi, I think TAB was comparably easy to understand because if you're taking just this one episode as one episode (which I assume a huge part of the casual audience has done), you have a beginning and an end and you have definite clues within the episode that something is really off. So even if some people still didn't get it or didn't like it, in my opinion it's far more easy to understand the use of MP within this one episode than throughout some part of HLV, TAB and then (presumably) parts of S4.
 

besleybean wrote:

@ Raven I'm sure that wouldn't have bothered them in the slightest, if they had decided to go down that route.
But they seem to have made it pretty clear that is not the way they are going.

Susi: so the whole EMP is showing Mummy to be the real Moriarty?

Not necessarily. But I wonder that no one is talking about that waterfall quote. The only other explanation that comes to mind would be a meta-quote alluding to Canon. Which would tie in with fat Mycroft but I think many people agree that the talk about his life expectancy might be foreshadowing as well. And is supported by Sherlock's remarks about Mycroft's diets, the treadmill training (and maybe also his tooth problems in TGG). 

SusiGo wrote:

besleybean wrote:

@ Raven I'm sure that wouldn't have bothered them in the slightest, if they had decided to go down that route.
But they seem to have made it pretty clear that is not the way they are going.

Susi: so the whole EMP is showing Mummy to be the real Moriarty?

Not necessarily. But I wonder that no one is talking about that waterfall quote. The only other explanation that comes to mind would be a meta-quote alluding to Canon. Which would tie in with fat Mycroft but I think many people agree that the talk about his life expectancy might be foreshadowing as well. And is supported by Sherlock's remarks about Mycroft's diets, the treadmill training (and maybe also his tooth problems in TGG). 

LIKE. 

Possible, but the waterfall and the maths professor in TAB could also just be a reference to canon.  They quite often include details from ACD but change the context. 

We did talk about how Sherrinford was Mrs Holmes' maiden name (according to Baring-Gould), though, so there's that.
 

Another very odd thing is the picture of Sherlock jumping from St Barts on his mothers dresser.

As regards the Tab pushing a maths professor off a waterfall quote I always thought the implication was about Sherlock upsetting his mother so many times and beyond reason. being on Sherlocks mind and his guilt over it.

Consider Sherlock has faked his death and how difficult his parents would have found that - dealing with friends and family and neighbours sympathies etc. Then he was out of touch and off on a very secret dangerous mission for 18 months. Then he was shot and almost died and hospitalised for a long time.
Then he organised the family Cristmas celebration at which he drugged them all so he could go off to a confrontation that resulted in Sherlock killing a man and being exiled to a likely death as an alternative to prison.
One can then assume Sherlocks parents have been - pushed off a metaphoric emotional waterfall - quite easily.

Last edited by Mothonthemantel (August 24, 2016 11:59 am)

Something I noticed in HLV is Magnussen entering his mind palace several times by traveling  down Appledore stairs , but we as an audience don't actually know that he is in a mind palace . In the opening sequence and in later sequences Magnussen goes down the stairs into the room with odd things and files and browses. We only know that is a mind palace when Sherlock tells us at the end.If that ending is real .HLV does swap between Mps of both Sherlock and Magnussen without notice many times.

The more I look at the Christmas scenes though the more unreal they seem in every area.

Also the series tends to be aired around Christmas time. 

Yes, and the car driving through the gates towards Appledore in this scene has the registration number "I CAM" 

Last edited by Rache (August 25, 2016 10:18 am)

Indeed. And as I said before, since the laptop scene I would put nothing past them. But there is even earlier evidence. Have you looked at the scene in ASiB when Sherlock is talking about Mr Carter, the client? In the background you can see John on the sofa although he is definitely not in the flat. I think this is the first time that something which only exists in Sherlock's mind is not explicitly shown as such. 

Next we get the laptops and another Mind John. 

As for Magnussen: in TEH and HLV they made us believe that Magnussen had a physical archive, they even showed us the statues and dolls and all the other stuff in there. Then came the rug pull, for us as for Sherlock. I do not mind such tricks, quite the contrary, but this is why we should never say, no, they are not going to do this, people would feel betrayed. 
 

Last edited by SusiGo (August 25, 2016 3:29 pm)

Neither did I. I get the impression that the writers have been slowly preparing the audience for these things, TAB being the biggest rug pull so far. But then people knew at least that something was off with TAB because it was Victorian. So there was a fair warning. With EMP of course it would be different. Not sure if they will go in that direction but it would be an even bigger rug pull to find that modern scenes you believed to be real only happened in Sherlock's mind.