There is nothing definite so far on the subject. We cannot rely on what the Sherlock team says since it has changed more than once and the writers have openly admitted that they often do not tell the truth. Steven said Sherlock is neither straight nor gay, Benedict was baffled when asexual people congratulated him on representing them. I prefer to watch the show and draw my conclusions. 

It's not a question of John not putting Sherlock first: everything Sherlock does and says seems to indicate that he cares for Mary and that he wants John and Mary to be back together.   Sherlock wants John to be with Mary (without flashbacks, other scenes, etc.).     As I said in the JL debate thread, I think that if John was in love with Sherlock it would be too difficult for him to take Mary back.  But if he loves Sherlock as a friend, it's different - he takes Mary back because in the end, he loves her and she's unique, and I think he recognises a bit of the truth in what Sherlock says about why he fell for her and nobody else.  (Even though I think it's a completely unfair point, as there was nothing conscious on John's part!).   And Sherlock tries to make him see that and supports them getting back together. 

(It's funny, but I'd have thought it was Sherlock who would need the exotic, unique, exciting partner, were he to have one, whereas John just needed somebody nice.   In fact, it could be the other way around).

Well, it's true, and that's partly because Sherlock is attracted to her, and shuts John out. 

As for what Steven said, it depends how you interpret it, but I took it as saying that he's not straight or gay in the show - that's not a driving part of his character or the story, and he's shown as avoiding the whole thing.   However, they do show him as attracted to people/women in ASIB and possibly TAB - he does have a sex drive. 

Last edited by Liberty (August 24, 2016 7:10 am)

Sherlock´s MP seems to indicate Mary is not trustworthy:

http://hudders-and-hiddles.tumblr.com/post/149298693819/mary-in-sherlocks-drug-fueled-victorian

I also think when they see the final ghost in TAB they are talking about Mary.
It cant be real and but I saw it from John - answered with it's not real (a facade ) you (John) only saw what you were meant to see from Sherlock is about how John and Sherlock were fooled by her.Then when the bride Moriarty is revealed ..we don't have fancy outfits we don't have guns..etc again fits Mary very well . All things we have been discussing ourselves here about Mary - who is she really , why does she still have the outfit and the gun  etc

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I hope she does quite the opposite.
Possibly dies trying to defend the boys.

John clearly states he hopes he is not being asked out on a date.
Sherlock is merely pointing out that what John described could equally describe going out for afternoon tea with your mother!
Do people really think this is asking someone out for a date?
Is there a translation issue here?
Because it does not mean that in English, at all.

Liberty wrote:

About Mary, above, well she is supposed to be a secret agent, a double agent, who has presumably worked for more than one "employer".  Her MO is deceit, in that sense.    But in TAB, she doesn't actually betray Sherlock, and helps him solve the case.  Mixed messages indeed.  As ever, with Mary, I think we need more data. 

Sorry, what does "MO" mean?

Thanks.

In TAB she does not betray Sherlock, she "only" calls him stupid. In real life, she betrays him by, well, shooting him.

Both is not really nice, right?

Bit the more important question is why does Sherlock imagine Mary calling him stupid?

besleybean wrote:

I thought she was quoting Mycroft?

Anyway, Sherlock imagines her saying it into his face. Why?