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nakahara · August 18, 2016 9:05 pm

Liberty wrote:
You know, I've thought about that ... that I feel there's going to be a major character death, and Mary is a "Watson" (if not legally!), so could replace John. However, I don't see them going that way - maybe leading us in that direction for a while (yet another fake death!), but not completely, because of how much they loved the stories, and how much they've put into the characters of Sherlock and John, the chemistry between them, etc. Maybe they'd do it out of contrariness and a desire to further their original character, and to do a twist we won't expect (and maybe Martin wants out for some reason), but I don't think so.

It´s their love of "twists" I´m afraid of.

Plus, they would have a canon precedence for such a twist - in the case of "Dancing Men", the honest and upright English squire is killed because of his wife who was involved with an American gang of criminals and who kept the fact secret from him... one of he former gangster cronies shoots her English husband dead.

Aside from shooting the husband dead, these people´s situation mirrors John´s and Mary´s quite closely till now....

tonnaree · August 18, 2016 9:19 pm

nakahara wrote:
Very, very dark speculation:

http://marybegone.tumblr.com/post/149119782631/constancecare-constancecream-on

I would burn the m***** f******** house down.

SusiGo · August 18, 2016 9:24 pm

I do not see that happen. No way. They would lose the majority of their viewers, of that I am sure. Apart from that from my experience this is a Mary-hating, overly pessimistic blog. (Not that I am a Mary fan myself but still).

nakahara · August 18, 2016 9:36 pm

I agree that the theory is overly pessimistic.

Still, the original post, made by "constancecream" which is a perfectly normal blog, is still mysterious and disturbing. For whom is the coffin seen on the pictures intended? What is the significance of Mary´s black dress in the last photo? Or is it only a coincidence that she´s dressed in black?

SusiGo · August 18, 2016 9:38 pm

Of course the coffin is real and one may speculation about it. But killing off John and replacing him with Mary? Not really.

Schmiezi · August 18, 2016 9:39 pm

nakahara wrote:
Very, very dark speculation:

http://marybegone.tumblr.com/post/149119782631/constancecare-constancecream-on

Just no.

SusiGo · August 18, 2016 9:43 pm

And please remember, this is from episode 1. So all the John moments we saw on Setlock after that are what? Sherlock's sad imagination? Hallucinations? Come on, this is ridiculous.

nakahara · August 18, 2016 9:49 pm

Maybe it´s a fake death? And Mary´s "replacement" is only temporary?

nakahara · August 18, 2016 10:26 pm

Really... What is the significance of Sherlock´s devastated face from the trailer?

a) Is he being informed about the death (possibly fake) of the loved one? John? Mycroft? Mrs. Hudson? Watson´s baby? Who is the most likely candidate?

b) Is he informed that he is dying/was poisoned?

c) Is he merely under an influence of some unpleasant hallucination?

d) something entirely different?

???

This Is The Phantom Lady · August 18, 2016 10:41 pm

Is it just me or does the coffin not look full sized? As in grown up size?

But maybe it's just my eyes

besleybean · August 19, 2016 5:31 am

Sherlock just found out about the secret brother?!

Liberty · August 19, 2016 6:59 am

I think it's difficult to tell the size in the photo, Phantom. It's too big for a baby coffin. It would have to be a much older child or an adult I think. So not baby Watson (probably), but yes, could be a sibling (as there seem to be flashbacks to a Sherlock aged about 6 or 7 IIRC, then probably an older sibling?). Or any of the adult suspects.

Or none of the above. We've already seen Sherlock digging up a grave. Maybe he has to open a coffin as part of his investigation.

mrshouse · August 19, 2016 7:27 am

The only thing I know is that I will gnaw the tapestries off if we loose Mycroft or Mrs. Hudson and keep Mary instead.

SusiGo · August 19, 2016 7:33 am

Tbh, after Setlock I have a feeling that probably no one is going to die. That the dark and devastating turns may be achieved in a different way. Character death is quite an obvious thing to be dark and there may be other ways to realise that. Everything I have seen and read makes me quite sure that Mycroft will not die, he seems to be quite present, most of all in ep. 3. I am quite sure that the possible darkness will not be caused by the baby's death or Mary just being killed by her past, this would be much too obvious and expected.

mrshouse · August 19, 2016 7:38 am

You might be right. Well, we'll see...

ewige · August 19, 2016 8:31 am

nakahara wrote:
Really... What is the significance of Sherlock´s devastated face from the trailer?

a) Is he being informed about the death (possibly fake) of the loved one? John? Mycroft? Mrs. Hudson? Watson´s baby? Who is the most likely candidate?

b) Is he informed that he is dying/was poisoned?

c) Is he merely under an influence of some unpleasant hallucination?

d) something entirely different?

???

Looks to me like he was forced to remember stuff he'd luckily forgotten. Ghosts from the past and all that. I think he doesn't look grieving here but rather doubting his eyes and his sanity.

Last edited by ewige (August 19, 2016 8:31 am)

This Is The Phantom Lady · August 19, 2016 9:48 am

Well we have no real way of knowing until it airs...

I just think the coffin looks too small for an adult person... A child maybe... or wold they use a smaller coffin if not all of the remains were there?

mrshouse · August 19, 2016 9:55 am

Eeeew...

nakahara · August 19, 2016 10:55 am

This Is The Phantom Lady wrote:
Well we have no real way of knowing until it airs...

I just think the coffin looks too small for an adult person... A child maybe... or wold they use a smaller coffin if not all of the remains were there?

If the car exploded and no remains were found inside, maybe they would use such a coffin?

Meanwhile, the person believed to have died in the car (John, Mycroft or somebody else) could live, but be held at some unknown place by the bad guys and officially declared dead?

(just a speculation)

mrshouse · August 19, 2016 11:17 am

SusiGo wrote:
Apart from that from my experience this is a Mary-hating, overly pessimistic blog. (Not that I am a Mary fan myself but still).

Me neither, but what is going on on this blog is a nasty fight between TJLC-believers and the "plain" Johnlockers or those who still say "Ah, well, let's wait and see...".