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SusiGo · August 16, 2016 8:23 pm

Yes, but the Moriarty video has to be explained. And we have never seen Martin and Amanda with their old hairstyles. Maybe they filmed scenes during S3 or TAB. But the thing is - there is the alleged birth scene in the tunnel and even there Amanda had the longer curls. On the tarmac she was heavily pregnant already, and hair takes to grow. So provided there is a real baby and a real birth, I wonder how long her pregnancy took. But then at SDCC Amanda compared the pregnancy to that of an elephant …

besleybean · August 16, 2016 8:24 pm

Yep, TV pregnancy!

SusiGo · August 16, 2016 8:32 pm

They are not that stupid, I suppose. But then I do not really believe in a baby on the show either. At least not in John's baby.

Vhanja · August 16, 2016 8:37 pm

Well, we have seen the baby on Setlock, John carrying it, no less.

And I don't know... I have this weird thing about Mary - I can picture her being evil and killing innocent people, but I can't picture her being unfaithful to John.

Liberty · August 16, 2016 8:42 pm

I suppose they'll have to do something with the baby. They can't just have Mary not pregnant and it move on from there. So even if we don't see the baby, it's got to be mentioned. (Even if the pregnancy is mind palace, I think!).

Lady Smallwood's lines suggest that there's a scene not too long after the plane ... but that doesn't exclude them setting everything else months or even years later, if they wanted to.

SusiGo · August 16, 2016 9:32 pm

Coming back to the hair for a second: interesting resemblance between John's new hairstyle and his TAB hair. Even the parting is on the same side.

mrshouse · August 18, 2016 7:13 am

I had a longish thought about this hairstuff:
- I don't know details about the NHS, but in Germany during pregnancy you get three basic ultrasounds. 9.-12. week, 19.-22. week (this one being the best to determine the baby's gender) and a last one 29.-32. week. So, the normal pregnancy is 40 weeks long. Usually it's from the 28. week on that you REALLY gain weight, so this is the last trimenon. I think, Mary is minimum in this last trimenon but she must not be farther than let's say 30+ week on the tarmac. That would leave let's say 8-10 weeks to grow hair and have curls done. (When I was pregnant the first time I had my hair done a couple of days before my due date ) And if I have a look at my hubby and my son that is more than enough time to grow out a short hair cut..... The only thing that doesn't really fit is John mentioning the scan and learning it's a girl. At that state the babies are mostly too big to have a good look at the genitalia in ultrasound.
And the next thing: The pictures with the four of them hunting. I'm quite sure we have a minor time jump here. The baby they worked with is no newborn. It's at least three month old I would guess, seeing it laugh and all.
I could also imagine that TPTB maybe just wanted a different look. For Mary certainly (did anybody like the bleached helmet?), maybe to show that HLV is truly done with? (where personally I found her unbelievably ugly, but maybe that's just me...)

SusiGo · August 18, 2016 7:20 am

Thanks for your thoughts. Kudos for the bleached helmet.

But if we assume Mary was still two months from birth at the end of HLV, at least to me she seems incredibly big. During that point in my pregnancies I was well able to get up from a chair without much ado. And on the tarmac as well she seems to me a like a balloon, ready to pop at any moment.

This Is The Phantom Lady · August 18, 2016 7:40 am

I'm no expert, but I guess women carry differently... but yeah, you make some very valid and solid points!

Schmiezi · August 18, 2016 9:35 am

SusiGo wrote:
Thanks for your thoughts. Kudos for the bleached helmet.

But if we assume Mary was still two months from birth at the end of HLV, at least to me she seems incredibly big. During that point in my pregnancies I was well able to get up from a chair without much ado. And on the tarmac as well she seems to me a like a balloon, ready to pop at any moment.

I looked exactly as round as her when there were still 2 months of pregnancy left. Imagine how I looked close to giving birth... o.O

mrshouse · August 18, 2016 9:58 am

Schmiezi ....
As Phantom said, women carry differently. Plus I think Mary's wardrobe in general is not flattering for the weight gain.

SusiGo · August 18, 2016 12:25 pm

Coming back to the hair for a moment - and this time with a wink. It seems they had a model when choosing Martin's hairstyle:

https://www.tumblr.com/dashboard/blog/oneredbuttonhole/149124635063

This Is The Phantom Lady · August 18, 2016 1:02 pm

I can't open the link, it tells me to log in... (I haven't got Tumblr)

SusiGo · August 18, 2016 1:18 pm

It shows the John from the Norwegian parody, you probably them, Oklahomo and all that. And this Watson has exactly the same hair colour and style they have chosen for our John now.

This Is The Phantom Lady · August 18, 2016 1:39 pm

Ah, I love those guys! Very interesting choice...

Liberty · August 18, 2016 4:49 pm

They're parodying the parody!

nakahara · August 18, 2016 7:31 pm

Very, very dark speculation:

http://marybegone.tumblr.com/post/149119782631/constancecare-constancecream-on

besleybean · August 18, 2016 7:33 pm

No way.

This Is The Phantom Lady · August 18, 2016 8:11 pm

Nope.

Liberty · August 18, 2016 8:26 pm

You know, I've thought about that ... that I feel there's going to be a major character death, and Mary is a "Watson" (if not legally!), so could replace John. However, I don't see them going that way - maybe leading us in that direction for a while (yet another fake death!), but not completely, because of how much they loved the stories, and how much they've put into the characters of Sherlock and John, the chemistry between them, etc. Maybe they'd do it out of contrariness and a desire to further their original character, and to do a twist we won't expect (and maybe Martin wants out for some reason), but I don't think so.