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August 4, 2016 9:45 pm  #6401


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

That's why I won't bet my life on the possible outcome of this particular aspect even if I think that asexuals desperately need more representation in the media. This group is practically non-existent.

 

August 4, 2016 9:53 pm  #6402


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

He also said right at the beginning something like - who knows who he fancies?  And suggested it might be himself.  I don't think orientation has ever been the issue.   But I think we've been shown that the feelings are there - but repressed.  That's the sexual volcano bit. 

JP, yes, and there was Benedict's comment at SDCC about him being sexually inexperienced, so if there as an ex, it would likely be somebody admired from afar, or perhaps a childhood crush.  Even just Redbeard, the actual dog.  Or the other one (the sibling?).   I'm just convinced that they're going to explore this "choosing to be alone" thing further.  I'm also convinced that he's not going to end up paired with somebody (except John as a friend!).  I'd honestly be shocked if that happened.   But somehow, I think his feelings are going to be tested, challenged, explored a bit more.    Just fancying somebody and falling for them and losing focus - that's already been done with Irene, so it has to be something else. 

 

August 5, 2016 6:14 am  #6403


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

We cross posted, Liberty, oh I see...so 'sexual volcano' not actually used?
I heartily agree, JP.
To me this was always the thing with Sherlock as asexual.
Give us that please, he's our only one.
Doesn't look like the team are going down that route.
Though I do confess, I missed the volcano part.
Where was that, Moth?

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August 5, 2016 7:44 am  #6404


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

The actual quote is here: http://uk.ign.com/articles/2014/02/08/doctor-who-sherlock-steven-moffat-benedict-cumberbatch-on-the-sexification-fetisization-tumblrization-of-the-doctor-holmes

Sherlock Holmes, again, must have sexual impulses because human beings tend to -- most human beings, not absolutely all, but that's the majority. The fact is, he decides to put all that in an iron box to make his brain work better. Of course, the fact that that iron box bounces around and shakes and bangs from the inside is what makes the story interesting. He wants to rise above us like a snowcapped mountain, but he's actually a volcano, and that's where the story is. That's where the story is. You know, you shove Irene Adler in front of him, and he just falls apart like most men would. [Laughs]

Now personally, I love the volcano idea.  I don't want to see him in a romantic/sexual relationship, I want him to be kind of untouchable, but I do want to see him repressing his feelings and denying himself.   Don't ask me why.  As I say, I think ASIB dealt with that, and kind of dismissed the idea of him being actually asexual in terms of lack of desire.  It's there, underneath, perhaps all the more powerful because it doesn't have an outlet.  But I think that most of the time, it's very much under control and he genuinely is just able to forget about it.   Certainly with Molly, he seems oblivious (which did made him appear asexual in S1). 

But this emphasis on "that's where the story is" makes me wonder if they'll bring up this again, in some way?  With all the comments around S4, I just keep getting that feeling.    Perhaps they won't in the romantic sense ... after all, in the general sense, this is about somebody suppressing their emotions, but being almost hyperemotional underneath it all.  He's very emotionally driven, I think, even if he doesn't want to admit it.  

(Falling apart "like most men" when he meets Irene Adler, does strongly suggest that he's attracted to women). 

 

August 5, 2016 10:34 am  #6405


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Just to nitpick, Ben didn't say Sherlock didn't have sexual experience, only that he had "a very limited sex life". Which is true as doesn't seem to have a particularly active sex life in the series.

However, I think Ben has said in an earlier interview that he does believe that Sherlock has had sex before.


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August 5, 2016 10:48 am  #6406


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

If you mean me, I did say that he said he was sexually inexperienced (i.e. having little experience), not that he'd had no sex at all!  But that leaves quite a wide range between being a virgin, and I suppose being relatively inexperienced for a 40ish guy. 

I do take what Benedict says about the character seriously, because I think he does, but I also bear in mind that he said that Steven Moffat didn't give him much back story to start with.   But I think Steven also said something about him imagining that he'd had some experience in the past.
 

 

August 5, 2016 11:43 am  #6407


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Yeah, didn't he say something like he thought he may have tried it just once out of curiosity and then decided it wasn't for him?!


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August 5, 2016 2:46 pm  #6408


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Thanks for posting the full Moffat volcano quote Liberty. That is what  I was referring to. I think that is the most sensible and accurate thing Moff has said regarding Sherlocks sexuality , even if it is jumbled in with his usual rambling filler.  


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August 5, 2016 2:48 pm  #6409


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I think one can be impassioned without being a sexual volcano.


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August 5, 2016 2:50 pm  #6410


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Liberty wrote:

If you mean me, I did say that he said he was sexually inexperienced (i.e. having little experience), not that he'd had no sex at all!  But that leaves quite a wide range between being a virgin, and I suppose being relatively inexperienced for a 40ish guy. 

I do take what Benedict says about the character seriously, because I think he does, but I also bear in mind that he said that Steven Moffat didn't give him much back story to start with.   But I think Steven also said something about him imagining that he'd had some experience in the past.
 

Ah, yes, true. And I doubt he has very much experience. 

Then again... WHY are spending so much time discussing Sherlock's (non-existent-ish) sex-life? 


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August 5, 2016 2:51 pm  #6411


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I know!


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August 5, 2016 3:11 pm  #6412


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Well this is the johnlock thread , and if an active volcano does go off , the people most at risk are the closest.


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August 5, 2016 3:35 pm  #6413


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

You mean in proximity?
Well then it might depend who he was closest to at the time.
I really do not think we are going to see Sherlock in a relationship now or in future, but we may get to see him in a past one.
See if John does lose Mary, maybe Sherlock will share how he lost a past love?
But your comments are always appreciated.

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August 5, 2016 5:25 pm  #6414


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Mothonthemantel wrote:

Well this is the johnlock thread , and if an active volcano does go off , the people most at risk are the closest.

LOL! 


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August 5, 2016 5:27 pm  #6415


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I think his sex life and the extent to which he suppresses those feeling or just isn't capable of it is very relevant to this thread.   I think people often see him as asexual (and I think you could make a case for it, although I really don't think he is supposed to be), and if he is, that would rule out Johnlock unless you were talking about a perhaps an atypical, romantic, non-sexual relationship. 

Also, his sex life and lack of it does actually feature a fair bit in the show - whether he seems oblivious, whether it's with Irene, Mycroft commenting on his lack of experience and knowledge, John asking if he's had a boyfriend or girlfriend, the conversation in TAB, it keeps on coming up.  

What do you feel "volcano" means in this instance, Besleybean?  Just wondering if we're at cross purposes.   I took it to mean that he gives the impression of being a snow-capped mountain and probably aspires to be (above all those feelings and immune to them), but is actually a volcano (the feelings are all there under the surface, usually lying dormant, but with the possibility that they might erupt!). 

And we do get to see the rumblings of that with Irene, I think.  We know now that it's not going to be John, but to be honest, I don't think they've ever been leading us towards us being John.  I don't think it will just be the nearest person at all, if it happens.  It's got to be somebody who particularly triggers those feelings, as Irene did.

 

August 5, 2016 5:33 pm  #6416


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

To be honest, I didn't see the volcano remark as being purely about sex. I always thought it related to emotions in general. And the fact that even though he tries to portray a facade of being cold, detached and "a sosippath" (see, not only Mary who's doing a facade), there is actually a lot of emotions going on inside him. And especially since he doesn't alllow himself to express them, probably tries his best to suppress tham and not even feel them - well, if you put a cork into a bottle with enough pressure... 


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August 5, 2016 5:45 pm  #6417


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

That was my point, Vhanja.
Emotional volcano.


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August 5, 2016 5:45 pm  #6418


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I think it's about sex, in that Moffat is clearly talking about sexual feelings in that paragraph.   But I don't think it's about sexual performance or anything like that - more about the emotions.   And I agree, that it's similar to emotions in general.  But he is quite happy to express some feelings (frustration, etc.), while some are much more tightly controlled. 

 

August 5, 2016 5:46 pm  #6419


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Indeed.


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August 5, 2016 5:49 pm  #6420


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Sorry, I read the quote again and you're right. It seems to relate mostly to sexual emotions. And I*m glad I was right about him actually having an unwillful reaction towards Irene. Yay, one of my analysis was correct! 


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