SusiGo wrote:

I like my new sig. 

Well chosen, Susi.  <3

Well, having had a look at the world wide web, it looks as if the Moftiss denying Johnlock has wafted by without causing too much upset, thankfully!   The TJLC community are quite strong in their convictions, and I think it has maybe gone beyond what is in the show.  I still think it's a shame that they haven't been drawn to actual LGBT role models (real or fictional), and actual expression of sexuality, but I feel more reassured that they will be OK.  (I know they're not one homogenous group!  But so many of their stories were similar). 

It's OK for me: if it turns that Johnlock does happen after all, I just get a nice love story on top of the show I already love!  But for those invested in it, it would feel like a rejection.   I suppose being in it together will help, and wondering about how they just haven't bothered about the revelations, they maybe won't bother if it's never shown.   Maybe that's not the point of TJLC, and maybe it's more personal.  But it's not for me to say, not being part of it! 

Anyway, for me, I think two sincere, public denials are pretty clear.   This is not "lying", hiding plot points, etc., but is actually a case of them telling the truth out of care and concern, I think.   It's kind of the opposite of queerbaiting (so at least they can't be accused of that again!).  They're making it very clear it's not going to happen, while saying that they of course support people having their own ideas, fiction, etc. 

Last edited by Liberty (July 25, 2016 5:49 pm)

Not every Johnlocker is a TJLC believer, just saying...
Johnlockers also come from just being blown away by two certain actors together.
 

I was thinking mainly about that video.  It's a long time ago, but I can remember what it's like trying to find out who you are, identifying with people you think represent you, believing passionately in things, everything so black and white, right and wrong, etc.   I was so used to this relatively older crowd here, that I hadn't realised how young and innocent the average TJLCer was. 

Yes, I realise not all are TJLCers.  I think there are three broad categories:
1. The people who "ship" them, and enjoy/produce fanfiction, etc.
2. The people who believe we are actually been shown a romance in the show and they'll eventually get together.
3.  The people who believe the above, but also think that almost every writing/directing/lighting/acting decision is there to show the romance. 

I think only the second two are Johnlockers.   And the third are TJLCers.   But I'm sure there's overlap (the people who think it's going to happen in the show, but aren't sure, etc.).  It's complex!

I would put myself in category 1,5. ;)

I know we've had these discussions before and some might find this a helpful way of thinking of the issues.
From what I've seen, I think I'm with Amanda: JL is fine in fan expression, but I don't think we will see it in the show...well ok, possibly I'm a step on from AA.

Quite so.

mrshouse wrote:

I'm 1 and 2.

Me too. :-)

Yes, I see what you mean.  I suppose that so far, what I've seen is people convinced that Moftiss are telling the story they want.   But yes, if the show finished without the Johnlock happy ending, then perhaps it could get more critical.  

Well Benedict seems to be on board with John changing his view of the world, casually mentioning Sherlock's very limited sex life. 
No exact spoilers but about the show including S4 in general:

https://www.tumblr.com/dashboard/blog/geekgirl1/147950480813