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besleybean · June 12, 2016 5:27 pm

Well yes, finally Mary might go.
John will be traumatised.

Schmiezi · June 12, 2016 5:30 pm

No, I meant, we will finally get to watch S4. :-)

besleybean · June 12, 2016 5:31 pm

Of course.

Liberty · June 12, 2016 5:32 pm

Oh, that's an interesting question, Schmiezi! I'm not a Mary supporter either, but I'd like to join in the discussion by thinking of what would make it impossible for me like or accept the character. I think it depends how they show it, and how it reflects on how she is now. If she was a Rosemary West type character (guilty of similar crimes), then I think I'd find that too difficult to forgive, and too difficult to believe she'd reformed.

However, I don't think the writers would make her that type of character and then try to reform her. I think that would be crossing a line.

Schmiezi · June 12, 2016 5:34 pm

I would love the team to completely surprise us by the way they write her out of the show. Like a simple divorce. :-D

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besleybean · June 12, 2016 5:36 pm

Don't see it.
I hope she dies a hero's death.

Schmiezi · June 12, 2016 5:36 pm

Liberty wrote:
If she was a Rosemary West type character (guilty of similar crimes), then I think I'd find that too difficult to forgive, and too difficult to believe she'd reformed.

This is an interesting thought. I can totally see what you mean. Thanks! :-)

Vhanja · June 12, 2016 5:47 pm

Schmiezi wrote:
There is one thing I wanted to ask Mary's supporters for quite some time:

She said John would stop loving her if he learnt about what she did in the past. We have speculated about what she could have done more than once if I remember correctly.

Now my question is:
Is there something she could have done in her past that would make YOU stop loving / liking / accepting her?

I wouldn't call myself a "Mary supporter", but this is an interesting question.

I think that if Mary's entire relationship with John was a lie, if she had been with him from the start - and all throughout - as part of some plan, that would make me stop me liking and accepting her completely.

As for if there were some remote or random thing she did in her past, not related to Sherlock or John, I don't know. I would have to know the circmstances, why she did and what she felt about it today. I mean... Sherlock has tortured an unarmed and dying man, and John has probably killed people in the war (and killed said unarmed man). So I don't want to judge her any harder than I judge them.

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kgreen20 · June 12, 2016 7:01 pm

Liberty wrote:
Oh, that's an interesting question, Schmiezi! I'm not a Mary supporter either, but I'd like to join in the discussion by thinking of what would make it impossible for me like or accept the character. I think it depends how they show it, and how it reflects on how she is now. If she was a Rosemary West type character (guilty of similar crimes), then I think I'd find that too difficult to forgive, and too difficult to believe she'd reformed.

However, I don't think the writers would make her that type of character and then try to reform her. I think that would be crossing a line.

I agree. I don't think they will, either. I think whatever she did in the past that was wrong is in the past, and that she has been trying to make a new start at least since she met John, if not before. But as besleybean said, we will all see for ourselves in 7 months. And with that said, I believe that both Mary and the baby will die (of what cause remains to be seen), and that John will move back to 221B.

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Schmiezi · June 12, 2016 7:07 pm

@kgreen: But what in her past would make you stop loving / liking her? Nothing?

kgreen20 · June 12, 2016 7:10 pm

Ask me that question again when her past comes out--if the producers allow it to come out.

Schmiezi · June 12, 2016 7:12 pm

kgreen20 wrote:
Ask me that question again when her past comes out--if the producers allow it to come out.

Why?

besleybean · June 12, 2016 7:14 pm

Because some may prefer to opine on what we are shown, rather than on what we might be?

Vhanja · June 12, 2016 7:14 pm

I don't think anyone can draw a line like that. What are we supposed to say? "Yes, if she sacrificed and ate babies, I wouldn't like her anymore". We have a main hero who tortured a dying man for his own selfish curiousity in the first episode. Everything is relative and everything is judged depending on circumstance.

Schmiezi · June 12, 2016 7:17 pm

besleybean wrote:
Because some may prefer to opine on what we are shown, rather than on what we might be?

Maybe. Maybe not. I am just interested. Besides, kgreen can surely answer for herself.

besleybean · June 12, 2016 7:19 pm

Of course she can.
But plenty of people answer questions when they are on board...other wise we would private message!

Schmiezi · June 12, 2016 9:02 pm

Vhanja wrote:
I don't think anyone can draw a line like that. What are we supposed to say? "Yes, if she sacrificed and ate babies, I wouldn't like her anymore". We have a main hero who tortured a dying man for his own selfish curiousity in the first episode. Everything is relative and everything is judged depending on circumstance.

That is true, I think. I've said it before, for me it is always important if someone is truely sorry.

besleybean · June 13, 2016 5:55 am

But I think she is and presumably the boys think so, too.

Schmiezi · June 13, 2016 6:03 am

besleybean wrote:
But I think she is and presumably the boys think so, too.

I still don't see any hint that she is. It could have been done with very little acting effort, yet it wasn't. Wonder why.

besleybean · June 13, 2016 6:06 am

The point could possibly become moot next season.
But not sure why John took her back, if he thought she couldn't care less.