stoertebeker wrote:

But enough, I'm taking Solar's advice and shut up.

Sorry, but where exactly did I give the advice to shut up? I was just talking about my own approach, I didn't advise anyone to shut up.
 

Thinking about the assumption that John loves Mary more than anything...

Boy, howdy!, that notion just makes me like John much less. I mean, this is the guy who is supposed to be Sherlock's moral compass-- and he forgives the woman who shot (and mortally wounded) his best friend. What kind of person does that?? Even if Sherlock was so foolish (???) as to forgive her, a grownup uses common sense (hello, assassin!) , and someone trained in medicine doesn't buy the "surgery: explanation.
 
If I accept the reading that John is just thrilled to be with Mary, he's just head-over-heels in love with her and now has everything he ever wanted-- then, I have to accept that while Sherlock is John's best friend, John is not Sherlock's. 

It's a question of loyalty-- and, I can't think of another Watson in film that would have ever forgiven someone who'd nearly murdered his best friend. 

If John is actually playing a long game, or even conflicted because of the child-- well, that reading is a bit easier to take. 

Just my thoughts...

Oh I certainly don't think there will be sex involved.
I just thought she may have worked for somebody else...
Though it may be her freelance work that is her downfall.

Last edited by besleybean (June 9, 2016 4:51 pm)

I find it easy to forgive her...of course we don't know how much Mycroft has used her skills, if at all.

Your loss would break my heart. Just saying. 
 

I agree . I really don't think Mary works for Mycroft. I think it was just one of the things in TAB that was sarcasm directed at Mary. Actually one of the things I found funniest about TAB was just how bitchy Sherlock was every single time Mary was imagined and how John seemed to treat her as a handy domestic appliance.
I think ACD should be remembered when he wrote on Holmes and women -

"... he disliked and distrusted the sex, but he was always a chivalrous opponent."

At the time Sherlock says that he seems to be in pain in the chest area , I think it's sort of sayin- never mind that Mary is off doing dangerous things and then I've been shot - must be nice and polite to Mary for John . Ridiculously funny.
Additionally saying a lying ex assasin on the run and bringing danger to them all is an excellent choice for a wife, again I think funny sarcasm , even more so for the era.
As I said , I think every comment he makes about Mary in TAB is supposed to be and is - funny/catty/bitchy/sarcastic etc.
Very much in the way Sherlock spoke to Hope the proper genius wasted as a cabby

mrshouse wrote:

Well said, Solar. This exactly.
There's a difference between discussing and plain wank.
Personally I try to understand a lot of things:
- I try to understand, why this is the first Holmes-and-Watson-adaptation that suddenly needs glue to be held together
-I try to understand why I have to accept said glue as the best thing since sliced bread after using a horrible back story to shock the audience but being given next to nothing to empathize with her.
- I try to understand why said horrible back-story of said glue is suddenly swept under the rug and possibly being turned into things and skills more acceptable.
- I try to understand why a main character that has grown to me with all its flaws has to be lonely, a bit sad and has to sacrifice himself for said glue to have its (deserved?) happy ending.
-finally I try to understand why a character is introduced and blown out of proportion in its importance without a proper casting so we could maybe have a warstan marriage that is not as dull as my cellar.
Those are things I honestly try to understand.

Couldn´t agree more. Perfectly put.

Fascinating though that is, it wasn't actually the question I posed

Last edited by besleybean (June 9, 2016 7:36 pm)

I completely disagree.
Mary made a bad choice.
Everybody has got over it and moved on.