I'd noticed! 

I think having an opinion that many people do not share is a thing that just may happen. One has to accept this as long as no one behaves in an aggressive way. 

As for the healthy robust debate - well said. This is the idea behind the forum. This and having fun. 

SusiGo wrote:

I think having an opinion that many people do not share is a thing that just may happen. One has to accept this as long as no one behaves in an aggressive way. 

There's probably a thin line what people perceive as aggressive.

But enough, I'm taking Solar's advice and shut up.

One of my first posts here since I joined very recently was a really long, multi-point defense of anti-Johnlock opinion, and I thought it was very well received. Nobody responded in any way aggressively. It was a bit of a test, admittedly, to see if this was a mature community where balanced discourse could be entertained. I didn't want to join an echo-chamber, where unpopular opinions would be ridiculed or attacked. And I wasn't disappointed, and it was delightful.

As a newcomer, then, my experience of the forum so far has been nothing but pleasant, hearty debate, no matter the subject at hand. I think it has a lot to do with how you approach it; people will react in kind if they feel they are being put down or laughed at.

I have my own little set of personal 'rules' I follow whenever I'm posting in public spaces like this; Be careful to avoid personal remarks and strawmen, and be open to hearing opposing viewpoints without sounding snarky or impatient, or laughing at them, even if you think the other side is being ridiculous. Offer some counterpoints to your own arguments, if you can-- it's tremendously helpful in understanding the landscape of the discussion. Perhaps most importantly, never forget that everybody is here because they all love the same show. We're family so long as that remains true.

It works pretty well.

Just my 2c.

I'm glad too and hope it remains that way.
I can't pretend I'm always happy, but I just say, if I'm not.

Yep, most confrontational forums I've been on...two Christian ones.

mrshouse wrote:

SolarSystem wrote:

besleybean wrote:

But let's try and understand the character.

So are you insinuating that people aren't trying to understand the character? How about this: People are trying to understand the character and they are coming to different conclusions than you do.
 

 
Well said, Solar. This exactly.
There's a difference between discussing and plain wank.
Personally I try to understand a lot of things:
- I try to understand, why this is the first Holmes-and-Watson-adaptation that suddenly needs glue to be held together
-I try to understand why I have to accept said glue as the best thing since sliced bread after using a horrible back story to shock the audience but being given next to nothing to empathize with her.
- I try to understand why said horrible back-story of said glue is suddenly swept under the rug and possibly being turned into things and skills more acceptable.
- I try to understand why a main character that has grown to me with all its flaws has to be lonely, a bit sad and has to sacrifice himself for said glue to have its (deserved?) happy ending.
-finally I try to understand why a character is introduced and blown out of proportion in its importance without a proper casting so we could maybe have a warstan marriage that is not as dull as my cellar.
Those are things I honestly try to understand.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!! YES!

besleybean wrote:

I love Mary and her relationships with Sherlock, John and Mycroft.

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And with that, shall we go back to discussing Mary instead of discussing the discussion?

What I still fail to see is proof (as in action and words and camera angles and costumes etc) that John feels a lot of affection for Mary in HLV and TAB.

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Well I'm kind of hoping she does work for him...
But I'm suspicious of the team's comments on that and wonder if it's actually something else.

So why do we think Mary married John?