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- besleybean
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Re: Mary – the subject of discussion
Of course not.
But they have dealt with it and moved on.
Unless you think John is lying?
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Re: Mary – the subject of discussion
In my opinion they haven't really dealt with anything. Right now they are simply ignoring Mary's past.
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Re: Mary – the subject of discussion
Agreed. I'm sure (okay, I hope) it would go against Mark's and Steven's pride as authors to just leave it at that...
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Re: Mary – the subject of discussion
SolarSystem wrote:
Agreed. I'm sure (okay, I hope) it would go against Mark's and Steven's pride as authors to just leave it at that...
I agree with both of you. And keeping in mind that S4 is said to be about consequences, I guess we will learnt more about Mary
One way or another.
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- besleybean
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Re: Mary – the subject of discussion
Oh I agree.
But for now, for me, I agree with Holmes:
She is an excellent choice of wife.
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- Lola Red
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Re: Mary – the subject of discussion
Which is, by the way, also a way in which Mary is described in the script 
edit: I am still withholding my own personal judement on the character of Mary until I have more data. Until now, for me, there are still "mixed messages"
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Re: Mary – the subject of discussion
As is "my bloody wife". 
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Re: Mary – the subject of discussion
just my point, both sides are there
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Re: Mary – the subject of discussion
The difference being though that the terms from my lists are all from the real scenes whereas those quoted by you and me are just in Sherlock 's head.
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Re: Mary – the subject of discussion
Looking at how John talks about his wife makes me once again wonder how we are to believe he loves her.
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Re: Mary – the subject of discussion
We've never been given a scene where he looks at her and says "Mary, I love you."
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Re: Mary – the subject of discussion
Of course not.
But they have dealt with it and moved on.
Unless you think John is lying?
I think Sherlock is lying and John is following where Sherlock leads.
I think Sherlock is trying to be kind for John .
Remeber when he told Molly Moriarty was gay .... John told him it wasn't kind.
So now we have Sherlock trying to be kind and forgiving about Mary despite how obvious to him ( your next wedding blog post & the opening of TAB ) it is the marriage would not last and is now on it's last legs.
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It's just transport. The virus in the hard drive . However impossible .Must be the truth.
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Re: Mary – the subject of discussion
This is from a Tumblr post by inevitably-johnlocked recently. Everything the characters ever say about eachother, except for Mary's. Sums it all up, to me:
John about Sherlock:
- brilliant
- amazing
- quite extraordinary
- fantastic
- my best friend
- the most human … human being
- you were the best man
- You were the best and the wisest man that I have ever known.”
- “’Course you’re my best friend.”
Sherlock about John:
- This is my friend, John Watson.
- My friend John Watson
- the bravest and kindest and wisest human being I have ever had the good fortune of knowing
- invaluable
- one feature, and only one feature, of interest in the whole of this baffling case, and quite frankly it was the usual. John Watson.
John about Mary:
- my lying wife
- the woman who’s carrying my child who has lied to me since the day I met her
- client
- assassin
- my pregnant wife
- my wife
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- SolarSystem
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Re: Mary – the subject of discussion
This is from a Tumblr post by inevitably-johnlocked recently. Everything the characters ever say about eachother, except for Mary's. Sums it all up, to me
If I'm not very much mistaken this post isn't by inevitably-johnlocked, but by Stillgosherlocked - our mod SusiGo.
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Re: Mary – the subject of discussion
Yes, it is. And I quoted it this morning. But I am very happy that others have found and appreciated it as well.
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Re: Mary – the subject of discussion
Good work!
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Re: Mary – the subject of discussion
Thank you very much. 
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"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)
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Re: Mary – the subject of discussion
Oops, sorry about that! Although I've had a tumblr for a few years, I don't really use it enough to fully understand much about it. I saw it reblogged, I guess, and didn't know it came from elsewhere.
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Re: Mary – the subject of discussion
It's fine. Glad you liked it. 
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"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)
“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)
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Re: Mary – the subject of discussion
This is from a Tumblr post by inevitably-johnlocked recently. Everything the characters ever say about eachother, except for Mary's. Sums it all up, to me:
John about Sherlock:
- brilliant
- amazing
- quite extraordinary
- fantastic
- my best friend
- the most human … human being
- you were the best man
- You were the best and the wisest man that I have ever known.”
- “’Course you’re my best friend.”
Sherlock about John:
- This is my friend, John Watson.
- My friend John Watson
- the bravest and kindest and wisest human being I have ever had the good fortune of knowing
- invaluable
- one feature, and only one feature, of interest in the whole of this baffling case, and quite frankly it was the usual. John Watson.
John about Mary:
- my lying wife
- the woman who’s carrying my child who has lied to me since the day I met her
- client
- assassin
- my pregnant wife
- my wife
Isn't this quite selective? hahaha
How about John To/about Sherlock:
You Machine
the other one is a complete dickhead
I'm going to kill you
I always hear punch me in the face
John to/about Mary
She's completely changed my life
Best day of my life (wedding day)
Meeting you is the best thing that could have happened to me
What I'm saying is---selectively listing of random comments can be very misleading. LOL
I lost count
