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May 29, 2016 3:09 pm  #5681


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Nobody's ever had a problem with fans having a free reign in their imaginations.


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May 29, 2016 4:22 pm  #5682


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

besleybean wrote:

It could just mean in terms of the adventures, but we'll see...
But why hang onto this quote, but not accept Mark speaking out against Johnlock?

Because unlike Mark, Benedict is not known to lie about his work.

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May 29, 2016 4:24 pm  #5683


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Thanks for finding the quote, Susi! I don't think it can be about their adventure, seeing as the quote is about where their relationship is going. Of course, it could also mean that they are going into darker territories than what has been done before. (For instance, I don't think any other Watson reacted like John did in TEH for the reunion).

I'm not focusing on this quote and disregarding what Mark said. Perhaps the quote isn't about Johnlock at all and Mark was earnest in what he said. Or perhaps the quote is about Johnlock and Mark was lying. Only time will tell.


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May 29, 2016 4:25 pm  #5684


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

@ Schmiezi How did I know that was going to be the response?
Well I for one believe Mark.

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May 29, 2016 4:45 pm  #5685


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Yes, I think that in that particular interview it's very difficult to believe that he's lying.   He's not being playful but serious, and he's talking about gay rights.  It doesn't mean he can't change his mind, of course, but I've watched it a few times and I just can't seem to get that "lying" vibe that some of you can. 

I think it's impossible to know exactly what qualities of the relationship Benedict was talking about.  I agree that he doesn't seem to lie, but he can be ambiguous (and sometimes gets the wrong words).  I read his comment as saying that Moftiss's plans sounded fun, but I don't get any specifics about the relationship.  Maybe he was excited because he knew that John and Sherlock were going to be lovers, but it's really difficult to tell from that quote.  I think the series is already a bit different to other adaptations, in various ways, and I think John's character and their relationship is one of the interesting differences.  Various other things Benedict has said don't fit well with Johnlock, so my guess is that he wasn't talking about that.

 

May 29, 2016 4:50 pm  #5686


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

To be fair, I think he could have been in the sense of letting peoples imaginations run wild.
Canon Holmes and Watson have quite a stuffy relationship.
We have already seen John and Sherlock being reasonably affectionate.
I have no reason to believe they won't be come closer.
But I still don't get what's wrong with a loving, male friendship...which to me is what we're being shown.
Why does it have to be more?
Fitting that with what Mark and the rest of the team have said it seems it isn't going to be Johnlock.
See both Benedict and Mark are right: they are doing more with the relationship than ACD ever did, but that doesn't mean Johnlock.


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May 29, 2016 4:53 pm  #5687


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

besleybean wrote:

@ Schmiezi How did I know that was going to be the response?
Well I for one believe Mark.

Because it is a rather obvious response, I'd say. :-p

Do you remember the post someone here once made? It included about a page full of examples for lies Moftiss told us in regard to their work. (And I mean lie in a good way. Their lies keep up the tension, make shows unpredictable.)

I cannot find it right now, navigating on my smartphone, sorry. But you must remember it, I re-posted it more than once and you answered to it, I think.

On the base of the many lies you were told, why do you chose Mark denying Johnlock as a remarkable you can believe? The only explanation I can come up with is "purely subjective selection".


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May 29, 2016 4:54 pm  #5688


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

My response question is:
Does Mark only lie when he says something you disagree with?


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May 29, 2016 5:03 pm  #5689


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

besleybean wrote:

My response question is:
Does Mark only lie when he says something you disagree with?

No, but I wanted to know a reason for your assumption.

Liberty gave some (Mark not appearing playful, speaking about gay rights), you only state your opinion, again and again. That always makes me ask you "why" but unfortunately you bares ever come up with an explanation based on facts.

It's a shame because that way there cannot be a discussion, merely a collection of opinions.


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May 29, 2016 5:05 pm  #5690


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Well I'm sorry, it's a simple case in point:
If Mark gave an interview saying they were going to do Johnlock, would you believe him?
I definitely would.
Do you honestly watch that interview and genuinely think he is lying?


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May 29, 2016 5:09 pm  #5691


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

besleybean wrote:

Well I'm sorry, it's a simple case in point:
If Mark gave an interview saying they were going to do Johnlock, would you believe him?
I definitely would.
Do you honestly watch that interview and genuinely think he is lying?

I would not believe him, to be perfect honest. I would be even more nervous before watching the next New episode, but no, I would only believe him when seeing clear un-ambiguous Johnlock with my own eyes.

Because they lie.


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May 29, 2016 5:12 pm  #5692


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I mean is it a cultural thing, a language thing?
I honestly don't understand how anybody can watch that interview and seriously think Mark is lying.
He seems so impassioned to me, I think it's a real shame that people don't actually take on board what he has to say.
We all have to face painful truths: Moriarty is dead...even though I don't want him to be.

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May 29, 2016 5:17 pm  #5693


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

besleybean wrote:

I mean is it a cultural thing, a language thing?
I honestly don't understand how anybody can watch that interview and seriously think Mark is lying.
He seems so impassioned to me, I think it's a real shame that people don't actually take on board what he has to say.
We all have to face painful truths: Moriarty is dead...even though I don't want him to be.

It's a time management thing: I don't have the time to watch all Interviews and remember them in detail. So what I wanted to know from you is simply "why do you believe that statement".

Had you explained it immediately instead of just repeating your opinion again, the last six posts or so would have been unnecessary.


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May 29, 2016 5:19 pm  #5694


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Your response tells me everything I need to know, thank you.


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May 29, 2016 5:21 pm  #5695


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

You are welcome. ;-)


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May 29, 2016 5:24 pm  #5696


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Just wondering... I know that Moffat has lied in regards to Sherlock. But have Mark ever done so? He might have, I just can't remember it at the top of my head.


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May 29, 2016 5:26 pm  #5697


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Liberty wrote:

Yes, I think that in that particular interview it's very difficult to believe that he's lying.   He's not being playful but serious, and he's talking about gay rights.  It doesn't mean he can't change his mind, of course, but I've watched it a few times and I just can't seem to get that "lying" vibe that some of you can. 

Thanks for explaining, Liberty. I haven't seen the interview (or can't remember it), so your information was very useful.


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May 29, 2016 5:28 pm  #5698


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Vhanja wrote:

Just wondering... I know that Moffat has lied in regards to Sherlock. But have Mark ever done so? He might have, I just can't remember it at the top of my head.

I wish I could find this post with all the examples. I am sure that there are also quote from Mark that proved to be wrong but I cannot remember an example, sorry. :-(


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May 29, 2016 5:39 pm  #5699


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

@Schmiezi

The interview is in my signature http://professorfangirl.tumblr.com/post/105838327464/heres-an-outtake-of-mark-gatiss-on-t.
Here it is for you again.
Please watch it and tell me you think Mark is lying.


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May 29, 2016 5:40 pm  #5700


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