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Ivy · May 2, 2016 5:22 pm

Vhanja wrote:
It looks to me as if Ben (or Sherlock?) is leaning in to look at the baby.

My first thought when I saw the scene was something to the likes of:

John: You konw, Sherlock; I can't keep dragging my daughter around after this case. She's hungry and it's soon time for her nap!
Sherlock: *leans in to have a good look at this mini-human* I don't know how you can tell, John. Her facial expression is just the same as it was an hour ago.

This Is The Phantom Lady wrote:
That would be epic!

Sherlock would be clueless trying to deduce the baby

I don't think it's that unlikely that we see something like that. Mary and John immediatelly know what the baby wants and Sherlock

Liberty · May 2, 2016 5:29 pm

Vhanja wrote:
I am wondering about something, though...

Do you guys know of any tv series (in a similar genre/category/type as Sherlock) where a baby has died? Not that someone lost a baby in an off-screen past or a huge disaster where babies also died, but that a particular baby related to the main characters died in the show?

I don't know if that has happened. If it is "allowed" to kill off a baby,if it's one of those things considered so horrible that BBC/production companies would never allow it?

I don't watch it, but I'm pretty sure a baby died in Eastenders (a popular BBC soap), so I don't think it's a taboo subject. That's a different type of TV show, though.

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This Is The Phantom Lady · May 2, 2016 5:33 pm

It would certainly be dark

Schmiezi · May 2, 2016 5:37 pm

Liberty wrote:
Vhanja wrote:
I am wondering about something, though...

Do you guys know of any tv series (in a similar genre/category/type as Sherlock) where a baby has died? Not that someone lost a baby in an off-screen past or a huge disaster where babies also died, but that a particular baby related to the main characters died in the show?

I don't know if that has happened. If it is "allowed" to kill off a baby,if it's one of those things considered so horrible that BBC/production companies would never allow it?
I don't watch it, but I'm pretty sure a baby died in Eastenders (a popular BBC soap), so I don't think it's a taboo subject. That's a different type of TV show, though.

I remember that there has been a big uproar when a baby died at ER back at the 90ies. Thought it would have stopped being such a big taboo by now.

Which does not mean that I could easily stand watching it. There is a Dr Who episode in which dying toddlers werde mentioned without being shown and it still haunts me. :-/

besleybean · May 2, 2016 5:39 pm

Yes I think(and actually hope) we'd all find a baby death traumatic.

Liberty · May 2, 2016 5:44 pm

The awful thing is, children do die - it's a real thing that happens to real people, and I suppose the difficulty would be warning that the content might be very upsetting for some people. It must be difficult to do that while keeping plot points secret.

besleybean · May 2, 2016 5:46 pm

Ah yes, hadn't thought of that aspect(the spoiler one)...
In soap operas(not that I watch them), there is often a big and obvious build up to it.

nakahara · May 2, 2016 5:49 pm

Ivy wrote:
This Is The Phantom Lady wrote:
That would be epic!

Sherlock would be clueless trying to deduce the baby
I don't think it's that unlikely that we see something like that. Mary and John immediatelly know what the baby wants and Sherlock

De gustibus non est disputandum, of course, but... for me, this would be a horrible cliche. A trope worn and discredited like a cream cake thrown into the faces of actors in those mute, black-and-white comedies of old.... sorry.

This Is The Phantom Lady · May 2, 2016 5:51 pm

What if the baby is actually never born... but Sherlock is imagining it all? Sort of like a reversed TAB?

besleybean · May 2, 2016 5:54 pm

Anything's possible, but I really couldn't see the point of this.
From the post mortem Q&A, I felt Steven was quite uncomfortable talking about Sherlock and a Watson child...
Incidentally, I think all of the actors will be traumatised at dealing with a child death.

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nakahara · May 2, 2016 5:55 pm

This Is The Phantom Lady wrote:
What if the baby is actually never born... but Sherlock is imagining it all? Sort of like a reversed TAB?

But wouldn´t it be a bit boring, if everything turns out to be a mind palace?
And what about Mary´s baby belly? Was it just a cushion, after all?

nakahara · May 2, 2016 5:58 pm

besleybean · May 2, 2016 6:00 pm

Ooh is Sherlock gonna get his official pardon?!

nakahara · May 2, 2016 6:00 pm

This Is The Phantom Lady · May 2, 2016 6:16 pm

Oooh!

Re-mind palace, it was just a thought, lol. Who knows, in the end the entire thing might have been a mind palace thing from the 'original' victorian Sherlock...

besleybean · May 2, 2016 6:19 pm

I think the team have teased about that!

tonnaree · May 2, 2016 6:23 pm

Side Note: They recently killed a kid under the age of 12 on screen in The Walking Dead. It was horrifying, but they did it. That is a very high stakes show though.

besleybean · May 2, 2016 6:24 pm

Oh and Broadchurch, the first series...I remember everybody talking about the child murder, wasn't it?

SolarSystem · May 2, 2016 6:25 pm

nakahara wrote:
This Is The Phantom Lady wrote:
What if the baby is actually never born... but Sherlock is imagining it all? Sort of like a reversed TAB?
But wouldn´t it be a bit boring, if everything turns out to be a mind palace?

Exactly. I'm really hoping that they stop using Sherlock's mind palace in such an extensive manner. Of course you can be quite creative when you can use something like the mind palace, I mean... you can show us pretty much everything you like and eventually go "Well, sorry, but this wasn't real after all". And that's just not what I want from this show.

SolarSystem · May 2, 2016 6:29 pm

besleybean wrote:
Oh and Broadchurch, the first series...I remember everybody talking about the child murder, wasn't it?

Yes, but it wasn't a baby, it was a twelve year old boy. S2 dealt with the murder of a little girl, I don't remember her age, but she definitely was younger than the boy in S1.
I have to admit that fictional stuff like this doesn't really shock me all that much. Maybe because I'm not a mother myself. We're not talking about real people after all, so...