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Schmiezi · April 30, 2016 6:19 pm

besleybean wrote:
She will stop at nothing to keep him.

I agree. How do you feel about this?

SolarSystem · April 30, 2016 6:24 pm

Schmiezi wrote:
besleybean wrote:
She will stop at nothing to keep him.
I agree. How do you feel about this?

Funny. I know your question wasn't directed at me, but when I read that sentence I immediately thought 'Yep. And that's what I call unhealthy'.

besleybean · April 30, 2016 6:24 pm

Well I don't think either John or Sherlock are in any danger from her.
She may even end up sacrificing herself for John.

Schmiezi · April 30, 2016 6:30 pm

besleybean wrote:
Well I don't think either John or Sherlock are in any danger from her.
She may even end up sacrificing herself for John.

But how Do you FEEL about it?

besleybean · April 30, 2016 6:34 pm

Currently my main feelings are directed to having empathy with John.
With Mary, so far I just accept whatever we are shown of her.

Schmiezi · April 30, 2016 6:56 pm

Without having feelings about it?

I personally agree with Solar here. Her kind of love does not seems healthy to me. And her motives strike me as xvery egoistic - a character trait I cannot stand, neither in real live nor on screen.

besleybean · April 30, 2016 6:59 pm

Well, you maybe won't have to watch her much longer.

kgreen20 · April 30, 2016 7:47 pm

We won't have to if, as many of us surmise, she's killed off (and the baby with her) as she was in canon.

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nakahara · April 30, 2016 8:59 pm

http://johnlockedness.tumblr.com/post/143535643038/makeyourdeduction-if-we-were-supposed-to-fully

tonnaree · April 30, 2016 9:41 pm

nakahara wrote:
http://johnlockedness.tumblr.com/post/143535643038/makeyourdeduction-if-we-were-supposed-to-fully

Good one Nakahara.
The powers that be can give us this surface appearance of forgiveness, but if they want the audience to forgive her and accept her as redeemed, they have got to give us a substantial explanation of her actions.

besleybean · April 30, 2016 9:42 pm

But some of the audience are perfectly happy with how they have presented things.

SolarSystem · April 30, 2016 9:49 pm

tonnaree wrote:
nakahara wrote:
http://johnlockedness.tumblr.com/post/143535643038/makeyourdeduction-if-we-were-supposed-to-fully
Good one Nakahara.
The powers that be can give us this surface appearance of forgiveness, but if they want the audience to forgive her and accept her as redeemed, they have got to give us a substantial explanation of her actions.

Agreed. The thing is, I could even accept the fact that John (apparently) has forgiven her - if I could understand his reasons. But not only does Mary not tell us anything about her past to make us understand why she did what she did - it's the same with John. We jump from furious John in 221B to forgiving John in that absurd Christmas scene. How can any writer in his right mind expect an audience to just swallow this?

Harriet · April 30, 2016 9:50 pm

@ Solar "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

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besleybean · April 30, 2016 9:50 pm

I refer the member to my previous post.

Schmiezi · April 30, 2016 9:52 pm

tonnaree wrote:
nakahara wrote:
http://johnlockedness.tumblr.com/post/143535643038/makeyourdeduction-if-we-were-supposed-to-fully
Good one Nakahara.
The powers that be can give us this surface appearance of forgiveness, but if they want the audience to forgive her and accept her as redeemed, they have got to give us a substantial explanation of her actions.

Agreed. And I doubt that it would have needed too much screen time. But they didn't. On purpose.

besleybean · April 30, 2016 9:54 pm

We assume.

SolarSystem · April 30, 2016 10:05 pm

Who is 'we'?

Schmiezi · April 30, 2016 10:06 pm

besleybean wrote:
We assume.

I trust in their talent. Leaving out those information is ignoring all you've learnt in Writing 101. They are no amateurs, hence my belief they did it on purpose.

besleybean · April 30, 2016 10:07 pm

The same ' we' that tonnaree was implicating! 'The audience'.

Schmiezi · April 30, 2016 10:11 pm

besleybean wrote:
We assume.

Do you?