I think what Mary wore at the restaurant when her character was properly introduced hinted strongly at her being not good. Her entire entrance is like that of a femme fatal from the film noir, with her being filmed from behind and all that. The rather old-fashioned dress she wears emphazises that strongly.

Last edited by Schmiezi (April 10, 2016 8:35 am)

Schmiezi, I agree.
So....do we discuss costumes?
Mods?

besleybean wrote:

We see her at the grave, first.

See my edit.

And I believe her ugly fashion style is deliberately done by the team, just like everything else in the whole show. It's simply something they chose to tell us about her character.

Last edited by Harriet (April 10, 2016 9:06 am)

Yes, I think it was a reference to the assassin outfit, especially with the perfume being involved.   I personally feel that when Mary points at Lestrade, it looks a little like Mary pointing a gun at Sherlock (it's a slightly odd way to dismiss somebody, so I do wonder if the similarity is deliberate.  (I also wonder if Sherlock is doing a little bit of there of allowing himself to deduce Mary at that point, something he failed to do in real life - he mistook her for somebody else). 

Although presumably she's pointing at the door, rather than LeStrade).  I think it's also a reference to the "bride" - mourning dress meaning the end of the marriage (by death) rather than beginning, and to the fact that both costumes allow a woman to be in disguise (the veils). 

And yes, Mary not being what she seems on the surface (which she isn't in either real life or TAB).

All agree, Susi. It was of course just meant for a start, which worked. And I'd like to add the turn-ups of her jeans.

I thought she was in the red coat and arguing with John at the grave?

While when we last saw John, he was homely with Sherlock 

SusiGo wrote:

My take on the costumes: "ugly" is a highly subjective term but I think we can agree that Mary's outward appearance changes over the episodes and that the costumes are used to highlight certain aspects of her character:

- the chummy girlfriend at grave, knit wool hat and coat 
- the lovely femme fatale in the evening dress with the 1930s hairstyle
- the professional woman in the surgery
- the bride all in white, very traditional outfit
- the blouse with the up and down thumbs 
- the assassin all in black combat gear
- the mother-to-be with blotchy face and Christmassy outfit 
- the red coat on the tarmac, a strange spot of colour in otherwise drab and sad surroundings
- the black "widow" outfit in TAB

I think this is a basis on which costumes can be discussed. 

The ones that stand out for me are mainly the red coat and the two black outfits. The coat because it really stands out on the tarmac in HLV and the two black ones because of the disguise elements of them.
 

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Harriet wrote:

All agree, Susi. It was of course just meant for a start, which worked. And I'd like to add the turn-ups of her jeans.

What about them?

 
There's the one scene where Sherlock watches crap telly und yells at the screen that the man can't be the father because of his turned up jeans. I think it's TGG.

I remember that. But it does not answer my question. In which scene was there anything remarkable about the turn-ups of Mary's jeans? And what would that imply? Since Harriet wanted to discuss the costumes, I assumed that she saw something that she wanted to share.