I meant the way they were talking about her in the Post Mortem. What they say in interviews doesn't always gel with what they show us in the show.

SolarSystem wrote:

Vhanja wrote:

What bothers me is that she is John's wife and she is also pregnant. That, more than how she is as a person, will mean that she will be a distraction and just as big (if not bigger) part of John's life than Sherlock. And I don't like that, no matter what type of character Mary would have been or is. 

But apart from that, you're right. She is a distraction, she distorts the dynamic of the show. I know that some people think the show needed a new dynamic, but I am not one of those people. Forthermore, I don't believe that introducing a new character to a show automatically improves the dynamics. Quite the contrary, sometimes. And I'm afraid this is one of those times for me.
 

Add to this the fact that Sherlock has so few episodes and yet even that little time we have with our favourite pair of heroes gets split half and half between them and Mary... more time for her means less time for Sherlock and John, unfortunately. 

And on top of that she is in such a god-mode that she makes all the other characters redundant. Why having Sherlock, John, Mycroft or Lestrade in the show, if she can out-detect, out-beat, out-spy them and as a law into herself, she removes criminals instead of police? Just as you cannot have two suns in the sky, you cannot have two characters with the same and equally brilliant skills in the story - one will be certainly weakened in favour of the other.... 

And on top of that, her "victories" are given to her without the story being built in that way, without any gradation leading to that... for example, in TAB she solved the case of the bride and yet we never saw her doing any detecting or analysing clues... it robs the story of any emotional or intellectual impact, if such deus-ex-machina emerges at the end and just steals the light from the characters we pursued through the storyline, turning them into dummies....

Your last point is true, Nakahara, and it's a bit irritating - what's the point in a detective series if we don't see the deductions!  I realise this was Sherlock's mind palace and that he didn't need to show Mary's deductions (he was doing them himself), but still. 

He did establish her as an intelligence agent in HLV, though (can't remember his exact words).  I don't know why he sticks with the agent part rather than the assassin part.  Possibly because he sees a little bit of similarity to himself?  But the point about the deductions still stands!

Did Mary actually solve the case in tab with deduction or detecting though ? IDK seemed to me she had insider information . Do we know she wasn't part of the killer club of women ?. She admits to being in the Suffragettes , and her maid and maid of honour / best friend Janine are in the cult . So maybe she just betrayed them by telling Sherlock and John .

This scenario kind of reflects what happened in hlv for me , Mary betrayed Sherlock and John and was part of a killing club of assasins . Even the alternative scenarios would be similar , she betrayed Mycroft and married John and shot Sherlock , or she betrayed Moriarty fell for John left Sherlock alive and would of killed Magnussen .

With Mary , we just don't know anything.
Sherlock is in the same boat and running themes through his mp

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RavenMorganLeigh wrote:

Liberty wrote:

He did establish her as an intelligence agent in HLV, though (can't remember his exact words).  I don't know why he sticks with the agent part rather than the assassin part.  Possibly because he sees a little bit of similarity to himself?  But the point about the deductions still stands!

 
I think Sherlock spun it as Intelligence Agent rather than Assassin because he was trying to calm John down, and make Mary believe that Sherlock wasn't a threat.

There are hints like the skip code stuff, and then he does seem to see her as an agent in his mind palace.  I think he deduces that she's an agent. 

I don't think Mary solved the case, but I does look as if she went undercover to find the death cult, rather than being one of them.  (I just feel that that as that was a huge part of the information, maybe we should have been told more about how Mary found them - but of course, I wouldn't have wanted the show to get sidelined like that, so happy to accept that she could do it).
 

Yes exactly. And did she really just meet John by coincidence, it seems  ery unlikely.

There is something fishy, I will agree to that. Mycroft has a file on John when Sherlock returns, with a new picture - and he knows exactly where John is that night. It makes no sense that Mycroft wouldn't want to do a check-up on a woman that John seems to be in a serious relationship with. 

And considering that it took a sick Sherlock a day (?) to figure out Mary's background (how did he do that, btw?), Mycroft would be able to find out the same about her. 

So maybe that's why Sherlock has come to the conclusion in his mind palace that Mary is working for Mycroft?

Maybe that´s why Mary went freelance? She couldn´t hold a job because for all her cleverness, she always ended shooting the wrong targets?