You don't have to post it over at the debate. They will only tell you that John goes back to Baker Street because they were such close friends, and that he looks somber because he loves Mary that much (ahem, sure), and then they'll ignore the story arc and just don't see it.

Did I miss something?

Last edited by Schmiezi (February 1, 2016 5:13 am)

Yes to all that. I still wonder how some people do not see things that are blatantly obvious:

John at the beginning of TEH - in a relationship with Mary, plans to propose, is moving on, has a job and a home. But look at him. He looks so much worse than he did at the end of TRF. This is a man who has NOT moved on, who is broken and sad. 

And then John at the end of TEH - we all know the moment during the little engagement party when he looking at Sherlock coming out of his room. The sheer happiness, his whole face lighting up. Not for the woman sitting behind him who he is going to marry but for Sherlock. 
 

Last edited by SusiGo (February 1, 2016 8:01 am)

Very good. The breaking glass in this very moment is highly symbolic. Interesting enough there are various superstitions about breaking glass - it can be taken as a good omen (e.g. in Germany) but also as a bad omen which may even signal a forthcoming death. But leaving superstition aside, it is the glass meant to toast the Watson marriage - and we all know how that went. 

Yes tonaree and it drives me bonkers. It's that whole heteronormative lense thing we've been doing to death on the debate thread... that somehow because they've never said they're gay/bi/otherqueerlabelsapply they must be straight...

OT/ I used to get this all the time... I ring somewhere to pay a bill... I say my partner is gonna pay that I'll pass you over... and she gets "Hello can you pass me to you partner now..." Happens much less now we're married and I say my wife... if they're not listening attentively enough they probably shouldn't be working in a call centre.

The best male friend I ever had was gay and was with the same partner for years.  Sometimes he would get sales calls that actually said "May I speak to the lady of the house."   My friend would always reply "Speaking"! 

Little Weed wrote:

Exactly. This meta by deducing sherlock is relevant to the champagne, as it's actions around that point in the speech.

http://deducingbbcsherlock.tumblr.com/post/78976120000/wedding-rings-and-intermittent-tremors

I find that meta highly clever, and I agree wholeheartedly with what it says.

I'm trying to get this very common trope that happened in A study in Pink added to the wiki:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=ocqdyvgrjh4ad34t6sifkl3b
But since it's too common I can't think of anymore examples because the line doesn't really make an impression and I don't have a lot of DVDs to quickly check if it happens.
Do you have any examples, from any kind of work of fiction? The more the examples, the easier to get it voted positively.

I would also like to eventually make a page for "Mistaken for Kiss", like John closed his eyes saying whiuqwhduiqh when sherlock took his head in the dark in TBB, because I'm pretty sure I've seen people thinking they were going to be kissed because they misunderstood the situation quite a lot, especially when I was younger, maybe in anime, but I can't think of any examples now. I need to have 3 examples at the very least to start a discussion on whether it is a trope and many more to convince everybody that it is.
 

To be fair Clara is constantly banging on about Jane Austin...

Ho Yay wrote:

But they were actually not shown as bi. Clara is shown dating a man and being attracted to the doctor. Jane Austen is an historical figure so we can't suppose she was anything other than straight. I just don't see it. If they wanted us to believe they where lovers they would have had them kiss on screen.
 

 
You're yanking my chain now aren't you... Naughty Ho Yay! This gave me a right giggle. Btw I now follow you on teh tumblr!

(I am the secret not to be named primary account that just followed you)