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January 20, 2016 8:16 pm  #2801


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

SusiGo wrote:

This is exactly how I think about the "woman in black" scene:

http://johnnlocked.tumblr.com/post/137685929681/weweretoldandwelistened-hang-on-now-that-im

If you compare this version (in Sherlock's head) to the Leinster Gardens scene there is a distinct lack of passion in Mind Palace Mary. She never cries, she never says she would do anything to keep John. I wonder that it tells us about Sherlock's perception of her (in contrast to how he outwardly behaves). 

I suspect that it is Mary who is the sociopath, not Sherlock. 

 

January 20, 2016 8:21 pm  #2802


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Well to be fair Sherlock claims that for himself, nobody else calls him it.


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January 26, 2016 3:58 am  #2803


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Or is it Mary who is the psychopath... What exactly are the differences between psychopaths and sociopaths? Here's a handy chart
http://nixxie-fic.tumblr.com/post/137675121997/interesting-reading-for-sherlock-fans-is-sherlock



I just read an interesting, if convoluted, meta about how Mary might be linked to the "five orange pips" aspect of the Great Game, and how the game may not be over yet:
http://inevitably-johnlocked.tumblr.com/post/138042933005/i-was-re-watching-tgg-and-i-noticed-a-few


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January 26, 2016 6:52 am  #2804


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Well I hope The Game is never over!


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January 26, 2016 2:48 pm  #2805


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

ukaunz wrote:

Or is it Mary who is the psychopath... What exactly are the differences between psychopaths and sociopaths? Here's a handy chart
http://nixxie-fic.tumblr.com/post/137675121997/interesting-reading-for-sherlock-fans-is-sherlock


I just read an interesting, if convoluted, meta about how Mary might be linked to the "five orange pips" aspect of the Great Game, and how the game may not be over yet:
http://inevitably-johnlocked.tumblr.com/post/138042933005/i-was-re-watching-tgg-and-i-noticed-a-few

The chart is interesting since it shows matters are complex, indeed. Most psychologists wouldn't make up that difference any more, but I guess the point is anyway Mary having a big issue regarding her lack of empathy etc etc. and I agree she might likely be diagnosed with such personality disorder.


And this TGG meta - food for thought indeed! Thanks 


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February 1, 2016 8:27 pm  #2806


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

I wrote a meta about the possibility of Mary being the East Wind. I am posting a link to the blog entry since there are photos and comments on the meta which I cannot properly insert here:

http://cat-on-court.tumblr.com/post/138493258972/mary-the-east-wind

And another thought: just think of the amazing dramatic irony of John at the end of HLV, looking forward to Sherlock aka the East Wind coming back while the true East Wind is standing with him on the tarmac. 

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February 1, 2016 8:49 pm  #2807


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Thanks for this bold and brilliant meta, Susi! Intriguing creative thoughts that don't lack being well funded in the episodes 


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February 1, 2016 8:50 pm  #2808


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Thank you very much, Harriet. 


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February 1, 2016 10:08 pm  #2809


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Ah I saw that reblogged earlier... I thought it was an awesome take on the East Wind idea. And I now follow you on tumblr.


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February 1, 2016 10:09 pm  #2810


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Thank you so much. 


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"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

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February 1, 2016 10:27 pm  #2811


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

SusiGo wrote:

I wrote a meta about the possibility of Mary being the East Wind. I am posting a link to the blog entry since there are photos and comments on the meta which I cannot properly insert here:

http://cat-on-court.tumblr.com/post/138493258972/mary-the-east-wind

I like this observation about HLV and about vision of Mary the Bride shooting Sherlock in his MP... it never occured to me it can be also interpreted this way. But it seems very plausible (and goes well with the "Mary is Moran" theory....).


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February 1, 2016 10:51 pm  #2812


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

I want Mary to be Moran so bad it hurts.


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February 2, 2016 12:17 am  #2813


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

The Mary the east wind meta is chilling. I do feel sorry for the situation Mary was in , but also find her a genuinely scary person . Sherlock and John must be wary and at least a little on guard around her now.I don't think they can trust her.


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February 2, 2016 12:26 am  #2814


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Was looking up pirates randomly on wiki  , as you do , and under Blackbeard ( disambiguation ) you get this -  The Blackbeard" or "A Blackbeard", nickname often given to a serial killer and which is also regard as being the male version of the "Black Widow" serial killer.

Thought it was creepy considering .Sherlock Pirates Redbeard Black widow spider Moriarty etc.

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"Man may not be degraded  to being a machine by being denied to be a ghost in the machine."
It's just transport. The virus in the hard drive . However impossible .Must be the truth.
 

February 2, 2016 6:36 am  #2815


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Well we know Mary was an assassin, no big reveal there.
I also wonder if any other revelation will actually take away from what we already have.
I my best bet is still that Mary will depart from the show in some dramatic way.
But I remain convinced she loves John.
I do not feel she is any danger to either Sherlock or John...I think we've been there and done that.
It's not her show.


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February 2, 2016 2:39 pm  #2816


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Yesterday we had Mary as an Eastern Wind... today it´s Mary as an Empty House:

http://iamjohnlocked4life.tumblr.com/post/138488818202/this-is-mary-to-a-t


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February 2, 2016 2:52 pm  #2817


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Oh yes, that strikes me as true ... I'm sure the empty house/facade was a metaphor for Mary. 

 

February 2, 2016 5:43 pm  #2818


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

besleybean wrote:

Well we know Mary was an assassin, no big reveal there.
I also wonder if any other revelation will actually take away from what we already have.
I my best bet is still that Mary will depart from the show in some dramatic way.
But I remain convinced she loves John.
I do not feel she is any danger to either Sherlock or John...I think we've been there and done that.
It's not her show.

I agree with you on all counts.  And I believe that Mary and her baby will be killed off in Season 4.

 

 

February 2, 2016 5:57 pm  #2819


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Kind of hoping...if you know what I mean.
But I wouldn't think it the end of the world if she lives.
Though I'd be furious if she lives and Mycroft dies.


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February 2, 2016 6:43 pm  #2820


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

If Mycroft dies we riot!
Although I am afeared for the cheeky bugger.


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