Really?
Where do you see Sherlock's afraid John has it all wrong?
If he is, I think it's that Sherlock trying to tell John that he created himself. 

On a website run by Berkeley University is a test for the recognition of the meaning of facial expressions / emotional intelligence.
And, guys, I don't like to say it but you've been right. All the time. There is no romantic interest of John for Sherlock.
Actually, it seems more like:

"People often make this facial expression when they’re interested in someone else sexually, but not necessarily romantically."

http://elskudani.tumblr.com/post/138290195393/okay-so-in-the-social-sciences-theres-this-thing
and take the test yourself:
http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/ei_quiz/

(Holy moly, John!!!!)

Last edited by Harriet (February 1, 2016 5:03 pm)

But this is not sticking your tongue out - it's licking one's lips 

I would prefer a more lighthearted interpretation for once. Or a tongue in cheek one. 

But I gave you another just as valid explanation for licking your lips, instead of "desire". It can also mean nervousness or being uncomfortable in the situation.

http://www.study-body-language.com/body-language-lips.html
 

Vhanja wrote:

Yes, you are only repeating yourself instead of replying to the new arguments given:

To assign these romantic tropes to the scenes is an assumption, because we don't yet know if there are romantical feelings involved. It's not that the tropes are proof of romance - it's that they tropes are in the scenes if - and only if - there are romantical feelings involved. And we don't know that yet. 

So we don't know enough yet to know if these romantic tropes can be assigned or not, because we don't have all the information yet. Only when the show is completed and we know how it ends can we see if these romantic tropes were there or not. 

As it is now, they are based on assumptions:

- We assume that what Sherlock was going to say on the tarmac was a declaration or romantic love
- We assume that John is bi
- We assume he had a romantic/sexual relationship with Sholto
- We assume Sherlock's jealosy towards Sholto is romantic/sexual
- We assume John was flirting in the Angelo's scene

etc etc etc.

Now, these assumptions can be right, of course. But they can also be wrong. Therefore, we don't know if a lot of these romantic tropes are relevant or not. Not until we learn if there indeed are any romantic emotions between Sherlock and John. If there are, all these romanic tropes are probably true. If there aren't, the romantic tropes aren't relevant because that is not what the scenes were about. (For instance: "Aborted Declaration of Love" is only relevant IF that is what Sherlock was going to do. Which we don't know).

I don't think you have understood what a trope or coding is. They have nothing to do with if the couple actually ends up together, they are used to communicate with the viewer before anything happens.
I don't think I can explain it better than I already have, I will just leave the thread because I don't feel there is any interest in learning and I feel too much discriminated by keeping reading things that exclude people like me from existence or treat me as different.

Last edited by Ho Yay (February 1, 2016 6:14 pm)

Ho Yay wrote:

I don't think you have understood what a trope or coding is. They have nothing to do with if the couple actually ends up together, they are used to communicate with the viewer before anything happens.
I don't think I can explain it better than I already have, I will just leave the thread because I don't feel there is any interest in learning and I feel too much discriminated by keeping reading things that exclude people like me from existence or treat me as different.

I know very well what a trope is, I have spent a lot of time on TV Tropes myself, and also added to the site once. 

It's up to you if you want to leave the thread or not, exclusion or discrimination was never my intent. I would say I found it more excluding to be told that I was blatantly wrong, that I only had my view because of heteronormative thinking and even that I was too uneducated and lacked the knowledge to understand the debate. 

So I can understand your frustration, I've had breaks from threads myself for the same reasons - and probably will again. 

 

Last edited by Vhanja (February 1, 2016 6:23 pm)

Since I mostly saw sarcasm, it seems I missed the fun part. Which two images are you talking about? 

I don't see sarcasm everywhere. I see it only when I believe it is there. Which, of course, can be wrong seeing as written word is difficult. And the atmosphere in this thread as of late has already gotten me a bit on edge.

Sorry, still missing it. 

 I would like to state for the record that I always lick my lips when I look at Sherlock too.