Awww nice meta Nakahara . I said pretty much the the same thing in the epic is it Canon debate. 
The virus in Sherlocks hard drive is love ( sentiment) for John.♡ 
I think Sherlock in S04 will be better now.

Last edited by Mothonthemantel (January 28, 2016 4:05 pm)

I didn't know whether it was just Sherlock imagining what modern Sherlock would say in such an instance...

Mothonthemantel wrote:

And the moment when Victorian John turns into modern John on the train shouting " where's my wife you pompous prick " is still puzzling, is it maybe something that happened when Sherlock escaped from hospital and arranged for the Mary set up in the empty house ? It did seem to happen just after Sherlock remembered being shot in tab . Suggests John was really angry before he had to play the dummy in HLV and that maybe Sherlock lied to him a bit about why .

Although this moment seems like a flashback of reality, I have my doubts it it really happened in HLV.
In that HLV scene, Sherlock was missing, not Mary. If John wanted to know were Mary is, it would suffice if he called her himself and asked about her whereabouts. What good would it do if he shouted at Sherlock "tell me where my wife is, you pompous prick!" in such circumstances? Sherlock would only be able to do the same thing John could - call her...
Could it be he actually shouted: "why didn´t you tell me she shot you, you pompous prick?"
But then I wonder about John´s character. To bully the victim of your wife that way because he told you the truth as soon as he could is irrational at best, absolutelly psychopatic at worst....

besleybean wrote:

The 'pompous prick' thing?
In the UK, that counts as friendly banter between besties!

Yes, when they drink beer together in the pub... not when they are about to keel over from a grievous shot-wound.
And John´s face was beyong angry and poisonous in that short "not-quite-flashback", not smiling and languid as a friend´s face would be.

besleybean wrote:

Okay I was possibly being a tad facetious.
I really see it more as equivalent to John's ' You cock' outburst in the tube carriage.
Yes he's genuinely annoyed in the moment and makes a typical John response.
But I don't think the anger will be long-lived and I do not see it as bullying.
He is a bit harsh on Sherlock in the flat confrontation of HLV, but I think the circumstances are understandable.
I think Sherlock's recognition of this is shown by his meek' I didn't say it was funny'.

So you think this moment really happened in HLV? Wasn´t it just Sherlock´s imagination?

besleybean wrote:

Huh, in HLV?
Yes, the flat scene and tube confrontation both happened.
In TAB, I think they were really hurtling to the crypt.

No, I mean if you think that this moment



is a flashback of something that happened in HLV? Or is it only something Sherlock conjures on the spot?

What I was thinking was , that when Sherlock escaped the hospital , at some point he had to meet up with John and sit him in the chair , while they waited for Mary to show. But Sherlock must of warned John that Mary was coming to prevent him revealing himself and Sherlock too soon and spoiling the whole - make Mary confess in front of John plan .
So at that point John would have been wondering wtf was going on and maybe shouted "where's my wife you pompous prick " . I think the flash Victorian Sherlock has of modern John on the train is very odd , and something memorable or a time of high emotion from reality caused it.
Sorry if I have not explained very well . It's  a wierd moment,

Last edited by Mothonthemantel (January 28, 2016 8:53 pm)

Yes lol. And do you think Sherlock must have already told John Mary had shot him and was looking for him , so John would be shouting a bit before he had to sit silent and just listen. That is an important and emotional moment and we didn't see it.
So maybe a reality flash back in tab.

besleybean wrote:

The 'pompous prick' thing?
In the UK, that counts as friendly banter between besties!

Rude, uncouth, really, to the max in the US. And absolutely not done, shouted in public like that. But whatever--  compared to a lot of the dreck I watch on TV, it didn't faze me one bit.
 

I completely think it's something from HLV that John said... he was REALLY angry. He wasn't with Mary so he didn't now where she was and Sherlock's just moved his chair back in, and showed him his wife's perfume... and Sherlock's been shot and gone missing and then rings him and sets up that whole Leinster Gardens thing ... Also it's completely consistent with his characterisation in HLV. He yells at Mary for 'no reason' at the beginning of the episode.

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