BBC Sherlock Fan Forum - Serving Sherlockians since February 2012 » Johnlock: The Official Debate

SusiGo · January 24, 2016 4:44 pm

And I agree with both of you. I find it quite ridiculous that there seems to be a necessity for such a word at all.

Liberty · January 24, 2016 4:45 pm

But if people don't like the word and think it has connotations of homophobia, then why would you use it to describe their friendship?

(I kind of agree that there are possible homophobic connotations but personally, I don't find people tend to use it about themselves and their own relationships. I think most guys would be happy with their friendships being described as friendships, and wouldn't tend to say that they are in a bromance. Although, I have to admit that the men I know don't worry about being thought of as gay!)

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Harriet · January 24, 2016 4:48 pm

I don't use it *shrug*

(And the men you know are probably not using that word for themselves either?)

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besleybean · January 24, 2016 5:05 pm

Ok, so we don't like the word...fine.
I have no problem with that.
I still thing Sherlock and John are in a close, loving friendship...not a relationship.

Liberty · January 24, 2016 5:05 pm

No, it also may be a regional thing. I tend to hear it used here more in a joking way (for instance, the Cameron/Clegg bromance)) rather than as a serious way to describe a friendship. It's one reason I don't particularly like it to describe John and Sherlock's friendship. It can sound like people are making fun of it.

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besleybean · January 24, 2016 5:10 pm

And if people are not allowed to make fun of 'Johnlock', they shouldn't make fun of 'bromance' either?

Vhanja · January 24, 2016 5:30 pm

I think we should be allowed to joke about most things. I see a lot of sarcasm on this board against, for instance, towards Mary and how horrible she is. And making a bit of fun out of how anyone can view her as nice. I've also seen this in a milder form against those who doesn't see Johnlock. So I don't see why we shouldn't be allowed to also poke a bit of fun at Johnlock. Nothing should be holy, in my view, but we should treat all opinions - especially those we disagree with - with respect.

Harriet · January 24, 2016 5:36 pm

besleybean wrote:
And if people are not allowed to make fun of 'Johnlock', they shouldn't make fun of 'bromance' either?

Honestly, I have no idea what you are talking about - what it has to do with the discussion we had here today.

besleybean · January 24, 2016 5:41 pm

Sheesh, it was just a question.

Harriet · January 24, 2016 5:42 pm

So you left the discussion and just wanted to change the topic?

besleybean · January 24, 2016 5:46 pm

We are able to multi task.

mrshouse · January 24, 2016 5:46 pm

Besley, I'm actually with you that nothing should be holy except staying polite in the discussion. But where is the fun poked towards the fans who like Mary? Where towards the fans who don't ship? You used the term "cherry picking" today with a clear message. In my opinion it also depends in which thread what is said, if it's for fangirling or open discussion.

Vhanja · January 24, 2016 5:55 pm

I think poking a bit of fun at someone else's opinion is even worse in a fangirl-thread, because since it's not for open discussion the party being poked fun at can't reply.or defend themselves.

besleybean · January 24, 2016 5:57 pm

It's probably never really nice to poke fun at anybody's opinion anywhere.

Vhanja · January 24, 2016 5:58 pm

True, true, that is of course the best alternative.

mrshouse · January 24, 2016 5:59 pm

Yes, I see what you mean, Vhanja.
What I meant to say is that certain threads are open for discussion and not for venting frustration about the fact that not everyone sees the same things in the show. Personally, I try not to show frustration.

Harriet · January 24, 2016 6:02 pm

Vhanja wrote:
I think we should be allowed to joke about most things. I see a lot of sarcasm on this board against, for instance, towards Mary and how horrible she is. And making a bit of fun out of how anyone can view her as nice. I've also seen this in a milder form against those who doesn't see Johnlock. So I don't see why we shouldn't be allowed to also poke a bit of fun at Johnlock. Nothing should be holy, in my view, but we should treat all opinions - especially those we disagree with - with respect.

Aren't you contradicting yourself now? Or do I get it wrong?

Vhanja · January 24, 2016 6:06 pm

Well, ideally I think we should be able to joke about most things. However, in reality, written word in particular is difficult to interpret when it comes to jokes. And there is a thin line between a friendly nudge and joke, and a making fun on someone else's expense. Not to mention that people draw that line in different places.

So in reality, the best is probably to not joke about other people's opinions and views, to avoid misunderstandings.

Did that clear up the contradiction you saw?

Harriet · January 24, 2016 6:13 pm

Not really, but it doesn't have to. Perhaps it's just me. And it's a bit OT, too.

Vhanja · January 24, 2016 6:17 pm

Then I'm not sure what you mean.