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January 11, 2016 8:58 am  #681


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

No, Sherlock gave them a Victorian look, and changed some other details, but their roles are pretty much exactly the same as in real life.   Even to the extent that putting Molly in the same role is a clue. 

If Mycroft had employed Mary, I doubt they'd have spent a lot of time working together in the same room - they might have met for a briefing.  And he wouldn't have employed her to access top level security.  He could have done that himself. 

It's putting those two unexpected things together - Mycroft being aware of Mary, and Sherlock imagining she worked for him.   It's not conclusive, but it's a very strong hint, and I don't see anything that contradicts it. 

 

January 11, 2016 9:16 am  #682


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

Here ´s atheory that Mary in MP is actually Sherlock´s mirror. Quite interesting, IMHO:

http://archipelagoarchaea.tumblr.com/post/136496638718/i-dont-normally-post-stuff-im-still-thinking


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January 11, 2016 11:57 am  #683


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

And this is a meta about the "unreality/reality" of the first plane scene - very convincing:

http://thevanishingtwin.tumblr.com/post/136609775862/is-the-first-plane-scene-real


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January 11, 2016 12:31 pm  #684


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)


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I cannot live without brainwork. What else is there to live for? Stand at the window there. Was there ever such a dreary, dismal, unprofitable world? See how the yellow fog swirls down the street and drifts across the dun-coloured houses. What could be more hopelessly prosaic and material? What is the use of having powers, Doctor, when one has no field upon which to exert them?

 

January 11, 2016 12:56 pm  #685


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

This is not really making me any happier. 
If we suppose the first scene is MP, Mary announcing in this on the plane might hint at her reading Sherlock like an open book, knowing when he’s fibbing, his feelings being transparent to her at all times. 


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January 11, 2016 2:10 pm  #686


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

Never again tell me that Mycroft's ties are a continuity error or a prop getting lost with a team that uses contact lenses to create the impression of Mark suffering from a liver disease. Or this example which is even more astonishing:

http://no-goldfish-required.tumblr.com/post/137087627892/johnlocktentacles-johnlockhell221b


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
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January 11, 2016 2:38 pm  #687


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

Well, that does make a lot of sense.  And eve left-handed people who were forced to write with their other hand still feel more comfortable using their left hand, so it would make sense that when he's not writing he would spontaneously use his left hand for other things.  

I hadn't noticed that though, so good observation from whoever caught that.



Clueing for looks.
 

January 11, 2016 3:17 pm  #688


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

Very nice!  Yes, people did used to be forced to write with their right hands.  It wouldn't be necessary as such, as this mind palace (doesn't need to be historically accurate), but it's a lovely little detail.  I wonder if it was Martin who added it, or somebody else?

 

January 11, 2016 3:36 pm  #689


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

Interesting detail indeed. Is Martin left-handed?


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January 11, 2016 4:33 pm  #690


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

I'm pretty sure he is.



Clueing for looks.
 

January 11, 2016 5:12 pm  #691


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

He definitely is. In the 1940s and early 50s my mother-in-law was still forced to use the right hand. One generation later I was allowed to write as I wished but one teacher kept nagging me about it. 


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
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January 11, 2016 5:20 pm  #692


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

Such ignorance is awful and pure child abuse!

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January 11, 2016 6:27 pm  #693


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

I love their attention to detail! 

But I feel awful for those people who were raised that way. I remember in school they once told us to write with the 'wrong' hand for a day. Only for a day, and I hated that. I can't imagine being treated like that all the time! 


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January 11, 2016 6:29 pm  #694


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

In Germany children formerly were told to give people "the nice hand". 


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
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January 11, 2016 6:39 pm  #695


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

Same in Norway, people were forced to use their right-hand. It wasn't that long ago, it makes me wonder if Martin experienced the same in school.


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January 11, 2016 6:53 pm  #696


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

A lady I met some weeks ago had the same story, I think she was in her early 40's. 

I wish I knew about my own aunt... she's left handed. I've never noticed her write. But she can't do anything the 'right' way (hate that expression but I lack a better one. Grrr)


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January 11, 2016 7:02 pm  #697


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

I would hope Martin was a bit young for that treatment, but I could be wrong.
Doesn't bear thinking about...


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January 11, 2016 8:58 pm  #698


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

I would say he's too young - but he's probably aware of the issue.

 

January 11, 2016 9:02 pm  #699


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

besleybean wrote:

Such ignorance is awful and pure child abuse!

At the time they thought it was necessary. And you know, today we still live in a right-handed dominated world. I have a left-handed son. 35 years ago, in 1st grade, his teacher thought he was "slow" because he couldn't for the life of him use scissors when it was time to do crafts. Come find out, all he needed was a pair of left-handed scissors, and once he had that, voila!  He was no longer deemed slow. It's a tough world out there. He told me recently that he's forced himself to learn to do some common things (like use scissors) right-handed, out of sheer necessity.
 

 

January 11, 2016 9:10 pm  #700


Re: The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it)

Well let's hope things have moved on a bit since those times.
I have my own views on the origin of the problem, but they may not be popular on here- so I shall keep quiet.


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