SusiGo wrote:

So if we assume that Mary is working with/for Mycroft, Mycroft would accept that she nearly killed his brother, the brother he tries to protect at any price. He would accept her around Sherlock, working with him, fully aware of what she is capable of. Sorry, but this does not make any sense to me. 
 

I don't think she is considered a risk to Sherlock except in that unique situation which won't happen again.  I don't think Sherlock was ever her target. 
 

@ Besleybean, yes, Mycroft did warn Sherlock off.   (Last time he warned him off somebody, it turned out to be with good reason too).  If Mary really was working for Mycroft at that point, perhaps he feels some guilt over what happened.   I have wondered if Mycroft could really, truly have hired Mary as an assassin rather than an agent and intended for her to kill CAM.   I think he possibly could, in that particular case.  He didn't have a problem with dispatching Moriarty or his network, and it seems to be clear that there is no other way to get rid of CAM.   I know this is strange thinking, but if had been any other assassin than Mary in that situation, Sherlock would have been dead, shot in the head.   So, if Mycroft set it up, it's possible he's glad he chose Mary rather than somebody else.

Of course, he could have just hired Mary as an agent, and she decided to assassinate CAM once she knew he was on to her. 

And all of this would mean that Mary is not retired. 

Either way, Mycroft seems comfortable in Mary's company and even asks her a work-related question.   Whether or not she was working for him, if he knows she's an agent, he has surely also worked out that she was involved in the shooting.   But he still seems to accept her.

Liberty wrote:

SusiGo wrote:

So if we assume that Mary is working with/for Mycroft, Mycroft would accept that she nearly killed his brother, the brother he tries to protect at any price. He would accept her around Sherlock, working with him, fully aware of what she is capable of. Sorry, but this does not make any sense to me. 
 

I don't think she is considered a risk to Sherlock except in that unique situation which won't happen again.  I don't think Sherlock was ever her target. 
 

And that´s where the problem is.

I cannot buy Mycroft´s concern for his brother and his worry over his brother doing drugs, if he is simultaneously quite unconcerned about his brother´s murder at Mary´s hands.

If he was OK with Mary shooting Sherlock and Sherlock dying in result of that, then there´s absolutely no reason for him to be worked over Sherlock´s overdose. He approves of foreign agents murdering his brother anyway, so what´s the point?

And no matter if Sherlock was Mary´s target or not, she killed him. That cannot be overlooked, even if the authors tried to shift our attention to "Sherlock is a junkie" problem.

Mary´s presence in an aeroplane together with Sherlock and Mycroft was not merely an elephant in the room, but a gigantic whale in the room. You cannot buy any of her scenes seriously if her past and her deed is not acknowledged or explained in any manner.

Last edited by nakahara (January 3, 2016 2:53 pm)

But what's the alternative?  I find it difficult to accept that Mycroft knows about Mary's past, but hasn't worked out who the assassin was.   And I think (but obviously I don't know for sure) that the shooting story is being left in HLV - it's not going to run into S4.   I don't even want it to - there are some things I don't like about it that can't be resolved.  I used to want explanations, and now I just want them to leave it alone.  I really don't want another episode to concentrate on the whole Mary shooting Sherlock story.

I was trying to say, that if any other assassin had been in the situation, they would have shot both Sherlock and Mary.  It was the obvious thing to do.  If Mycroft had set up that situation, then it's only because it was Mary that Sherlock is still alive.  I think that might help to explain how he can forgive (and how the others can), even if we can't.  (I think we're more in Mummy Holmes camp!). 

The drugs are a different issue - they are a current, ongoing risk.   Mary was a risk in a particular situation which won't happen again.  

I think the plane scenes do acknowledge her past (she is openly accessing top-secret information, with Mycroft's knowledge and even approval), but I think the shooting is something that is done with, story-wise, and probably for the characters.  

Interesting idea. Mycroft seemed very surprised and shocked when he realised in the plane that Sherlock was high. Had he been very high on the tarmac, Mycroft would have noticed. So we can assume that Sherlock took drugs on the plane which he must have obtained either in solitary confinement (highly improbable) or in the car (dito) or on the tarmac (possible) or on the plane (improbable). 

besleybean wrote:

I thought it was Mycroft who said Sherlock was high before he got on the plane?

Then why would he raise alarm over Sherlock´s drugs only after the plane landed, if he knew about them beforehand?
Makes no sense....

Sherlock can be dispatched to Ukraine high as a kite, but the thing only becomes the problem when he returns to England? Why?
 

Last edited by nakahara (January 3, 2016 6:51 pm)

Because Mycroft, Sherlock and John all seem perfectly happy with her...where are they shown NOT to be?

Sherlock is a happy man for you in HLV and TAB?

Mycroft has never sacrificed Sherlock.
Sherlock got shot cos he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and Mary made a wrong decision.
Does she have to pay for that the rest of her life?

besleybean wrote:

Mycroft has never sacrificed Sherlock.
Sherlock got shot cos he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and Mary made a wrong decision.
Does she have to pay for that the rest of her life?

 
No. But once would be fine.