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besleybean · November 29, 2015 10:09 pm

I'm thinking of Mark and Steven's writing and thinking they will go for the grief..

Vhanja · November 29, 2015 10:17 pm

Poor John, I think he's gone through enough.

SusiGo · November 29, 2015 10:17 pm

But we should not forget that Sherlock has been through a lot as well.

Vhanja · November 29, 2015 10:29 pm

Of course, but he won't be the one who will feel the brunt of the pain when/if Mary dies/runs away/has cheated/turns out to be a villain.

RavenMorganLeigh · November 29, 2015 10:29 pm

SusiGo wrote:
But we should not forget that Sherlock has been through a lot as well.

Hear, hear!!!

Harriet · November 29, 2015 10:52 pm

Vhanja wrote:
Of course, but he won't be the one who will feel the brunt of the pain when/if Mary dies/runs away/has cheated/turns out to be a villain.

I think he felt the pain already when Mary turned out to be a villain. It looked like it hurt quite a lot indeed.

Vhanja · November 29, 2015 11:02 pm

He did, but to me it seems logical that the man who loves a woman romantically will be more hurt by her betrayal/death than the man who likes her because it's his friend's wife.

RavenMorganLeigh · November 29, 2015 11:12 pm

Vhanja wrote:
He did, but to me it seems logical that the man who loves a woman romantically will be more hurt by her betrayal/death than the man who likes her because it's his friend's wife.

Which is actually what makes it so difficult for me to understand why John went back to Mary after the way she betrayed him....

Harriet · November 29, 2015 11:25 pm

Vhanja wrote:
He did, but to me it seems logical that the man who loves a woman romantically will be more hurt by her betrayal/death than the man who likes her because it's his friend's wife.

Sherlock is not only hurt by a betrayal. He felt actual real horrible pain because Mary turned out a villain.

Molly: "Without the shock, you’re going to feel the pain." (In Redbeard’s corridor, she is standing some distance away from Sherlock as he convulses on the floor, his eyes wide and his teeth clenched. Molly looks towards him, her face serious.)

tonnaree · November 29, 2015 11:43 pm

Vhanja wrote:
He did, but to me it seems logical that the man who loves a woman romantically will be more hurt by her betrayal/death than the man who likes her because it's his friend's wife.

This would be completely true under normal circumstances. But remember, Sherlock is not a normal individual. He really trusts very few people and he let Mary into his small circle. I'm sure he felt great emotional pain as well as physical.

RavenMorganLeigh · November 29, 2015 11:54 pm

tonnaree wrote:
Vhanja wrote:
He did, but to me it seems logical that the man who loves a woman romantically will be more hurt by her betrayal/death than the man who likes her because it's his friend's wife.
This would be completely true under normal circumstances. But remember, Sherlock is not a normal individual. He really trusts very few people and he let Mary into his small circle. I'm sure he felt great emotional pain as well as physical.

And, I think it's important to remember that John was also betrayed by Mary-- she knew exactly how he grieved for Sherlock, but she was fine putting John through all that agony again-- and this time, it very easily could have been a permanent death for Sherlock. John might not have been able to get past it a second time.

kgreen20 · November 30, 2015 12:00 am

besleybean wrote:
I'm thinking of Mark and Steven's writing and thinking they will go for the grief..

That's what I'm thinking, too. Grief and trauma.

RavenMorganLeigh · November 30, 2015 2:00 am

kgreen20 wrote:
besleybean wrote:
I'm thinking of Mark and Steven's writing and thinking they will go for the grief..
That's what I'm thinking, too. Grief and trauma.

I'll be keeping a few cases of tissues handy...

besleybean · November 30, 2015 8:16 am

I'm presuming S4 is going to have some kind of cliffhanger...
So for this thread, regarding Mary...
Surely it either has to be her departure(one way or another) or a final reveal that she's in league with Moriarty or something?
Personally, I go with the former...
But that is on the assumption that S4 is going to Mary's last series, unless Mark and Steven decide to keep her in the show.

tonnaree · November 30, 2015 1:24 pm

I hope that they resolve the Mary issue completely in S4. By the end of the series I want her gone.

besleybean · November 30, 2015 2:13 pm

Me too.

SusiGo · November 30, 2015 2:31 pm

It seems this is something many of us can agree.

RavenMorganLeigh · November 30, 2015 4:32 pm

Me, three.

kgreen20 · November 30, 2015 8:26 pm

Same here. I really don't want the thrust permanently changed, and I hope that Mark and Steven don't, either..

nakahara · December 4, 2015 8:25 am

I bet the the real "Beth" and "Cath" Mary was phoning during S3 was the same one as in this story:

http://cupidford.tumblr.com/post/134493986965/abitnotgood-threefootroo-wait-wait-wait-i