Vhanja wrote:

It seems you misunderstand what people write about the liver damage, and exaggerate what people are trying to get across. It's bordering on ridiculing other people's opinions.

Nobody is ridiculing you, Vhanja. But some folks just have different opinions-- and a sense of humour. It's all fine. 

I also have a sense of humour, I just don't use it like this in these discussions.

So--- does anyone want to explain why, if a shot to the liver is so benign (as far as gunshots to center mass go) why Sherlock flatlined? Why he was so long recovering? Remember-- at Christmas, Mummy said that they were all celebrating together because Sherlock was finally out of hospital. That's a long time, at the very least 4-6 months.  And, I think it's fair to say that Sherlock was in the hospital as a direct result of the shot that Mary gave him as a Wedding Planner Thank-You Note.   (Ducks flying pies and fruit)

Last edited by RavenMorganLeigh (October 7, 2015 8:46 pm)

Vhanja wrote:

Yeah, I believe that too. We know too little as of now. Perhaps this is all we've ever learn about the shooting and Mary's past, perhaps more will be unraveled in S4. So I won't have too strong opinions either way as I feel we might be in the middle of that story yet. 

Yes, that's pretty much how  I feel.   I don't think there weill be anything more about the shooting itself (been there, done that), but it would seem odd to make Mary's dramatic past go unremarked in S4.   I'm not sure that they'd make her an assassin solely to have her shoot Sherlock, and then not do anything else with that.  It's got to come up in some way, whether it's her past coming back to haunt her, or her going back to her old job, or her using her skills to save somebody or whatever.

Swanpride wrote:

Fact is that shots in the liver not only have a very high survival rate (and those who don't survive usually either bleed out or die of infections), they also allow a complete recovery. Shot someone in the leg and the lightlyhood that you hit one of the mayor blood vessel is incredible high. Shot someone in the shoulder (which would have been pointless in this situation because it wouldn't have incapated Sherlock) and he might never have full use up his arm again. John himself is the best example for the fact that a shoulder wound is nothing to sniff about.

And I said it before, though it bears repeating, but even in his dream sequence (which is designed to mislead the audience, the writers certainly don't want to give away their twist too early), it is never said that Mary herself is a danger to John, only that John is in danger because of Mary.

So, as you are correctly stating, Sherlock could have died any time from bleeding out. That´s what I had in mind earlier.

Plus, Moriarty´s scoffs "That wife!" before he says that John is in danger. That´s a direct reference to Mary being that danger in my book. 

SusiGo wrote:

I would never throw stuff at someone saying something like this. 

RavenMorganLeigh wrote:

So--- does anyone want to explain why, if a shot to the liver is so benign (as far as gunshots to center mass go) why Sherlock flatlined? Why he was so long recovering? Remember-- at Christmas, Mummy said that they were all celebrating together because Sherlock was finally out of hospital. That's a long time, at the very least 4-6 months.  And, I think it's fair to say that Sherlock was in the hospital as a direct result of the shot that Mary gave him as a Wedding Planner Thank-You Note.   (Ducks flying pies and fruit)

Honestly?  I think it's to add drama.   I don't think it's to show that Sherlock's deduction was wrong, because he has that information (about how close to death he was and how difficult his recovery was) and yet he still believes Mary didn't mean to kill him.   They pass it off as Mary not being a perfect shot. 
 

Two can play this: 

This is written by an actual surgeon: 
"Firstly, how am I even qualified to make a post on this?

Well, I happen to have trained as a surgeon. As part of my training, not only did I have surgical stints where I went into theatre to operate on patients but I also worked in a number of Emergency Departments. Trauma and life threatening emergencies fueled my existence! It is important to appreciate and incorporate basic knowledge of human anatomy and physiology as well as recognise a vast array of pathologies to be able to come to an accurate diagnosis. Only then can one start to formulate a management plan for the patient.

I also just so happened to have taught anatomy in college. I did this for two years and would have taught a wide range of students. Not just medical students, but physiotherapy and pharmacy students are also required to have a certain basic knowledge of anatomy. As anyone who was examined by me would vouch, I was tough but fair. My approach to teaching anatomy was more clinically based, to make it more realistic. No one cares what the root value of the phrenic nerve is or that the inferior vena cava is on the right side to the vertebral column, unless they are made to appreciate the consequences to the patient of not knowing. These are pass/ fail questions. It is drilled into us from day one. "C3, 4 and 5 keep the diaphragm alive." We have bloody mnemonics for just about everything! Some are impossible to forget.

Currently, I am training in radiology. Again anatomy comes into play. It's all about anatomy at this point! I am looking into the human body on a daily basis. It is my job to look at films, be they x-rays or CT scans and come to a diagnosis based on the findings, as well as suggest management options and follow up imagining. What I love about radiology is that it touches on all specialties in medicine. There is not a medical field out there that will not require imaging for their patients at some point or another. From paeditrics, to traumas, to geriatrics, everyone ends up getting some sort of radiological investigation.

Based on my knowledge of human anatomy and experience as both a surgeon and a radiologist, I am approaching this meta post from a very cold and analytical place where anatomy is key, especially when it comes to Sherlock getting shot."

[url=Here's the Meta: http://archiveofourown.org/works/1235479/chapters/2535226]Here's the Meta: http://archiveofourown.org/works/1235479/chapters/2535226[/url]

Conclusion: 

"Let's tally up the score then, shall we?I am going to review all of Sherlock's injuries (from the outside in) by dividing things up into lists (I LOVE lists!!) and seeing what pathology each injury would result in. Definite Injuries:

• Right Pectoralis Major muscle
• Right Rectus Abdominis muscle: Rectus sheath haematoma[/url]
• 5th CC/Rib: [url=https://www.inkling.com/read/fracture-management-primary-care-eiff-hatch-3rd/chapter-18/rib-fractures-after-trauma]Rib Fracture[/url]/ [url=https://www.inkling.com/read/crash-course-respiratory-system-hickin-renshaw-williams-horton-szar-4th/chapter-22/haemothorax]Haemothorax[/url]/ [url=https://www.inkling.com/read/crash-course-respiratory-system-hickin-renshaw-williams-horton-szar-4th/chapter-12/tension-pneumothorax]Tension Pneumothorax[/url]/[url=https://www.inkling.com/read/core-topics-in-general-emergency-surgery-paterson-brown-5th/chapter-13/management-of-abdominal-injury] Liver Injury[/url]
• Internal Thoracic artery and vein: [url=https://www.inkling.com/read/crash-course-respiratory-system-hickin-renshaw-williams-horton-szar-4th/chapter-22/haemothorax]Haemothorax[/url]
• Middle lobe of the right lung: [url=https://www.inkling.com/read/crash-course-respiratory-system-hickin-renshaw-williams-horton-szar-4th/chapter-12/pneumothorax]Pneumothorax[/url]
• Diaphragm
• Liver: SHOCK/ Liver Injury
• IVC: [url=https://www.inkling.com/read/greenfields-surgery-scientific-principles-practice/chapter-8/types-of-shock]SHOCK/ Vascular Injury

• 5th intercostal neurovascular bundle: Paralysis of intercostal muscles and sensory loss
• Right parasternal lymphatic chain: Chylothorax[/url]
• Right atrium of the heart: [url=https://www.inkling.com/read/sabiston-spencer-surgery-chest-sellke-8th/chapter-75/penetrating-cardiac-injury]Cardiac Tamponade[/url]
• Right phrenic nerve: [url=https://www.inkling.com/read/essential-clinical-anatomy-keith-moore-4th/chapter-1/ch01-bluebox-1]Unilateral diaphragmatic paralysis

Last edited by RavenMorganLeigh (October 7, 2015 9:07 pm)

Vhanja wrote:

So we have two medical experts with different opinions. Not sure about that meta, but does she refers to any studies as Wellington does?

You should read it. It's extremely well researched, etc, etc. Oh, and it's also very well regarded. 

Last edited by RavenMorganLeigh (October 7, 2015 9:14 pm)

nakahara wrote:

Too bad they couldn´t add drama with something that actually makes sense and doesn´t border on medical miracle....

]Haaaay!!!!  Nice one. :