We've seen in the show itself that Sherlock is sometimes wrong. And at the time he was shot, he didn't have all the facts.

Magingus wrote:

I think what people are arguing is that the mind palace scene shows what Sherlock believed to be happening at the time - but he later reformed his opinion based on new facts.

I'm not sure I believe this myself, but I think that's what some people here are saying.

But-but-but- 

Okay. Part of my difficulty with this is we're arguing that the facts themselves are mutable via after-the-fact-opinion. The trajectory of the bullet, which way to fall, how to not go into shock, what sort of bullet-- all that stuff was based on the fact that Mary shot him and he was going to die-- and the point of ALL of it was about Sherlock figuring out how Not to Die. 

Maybe I'm not understanding? Somebody tell me like I'm a five-year-old!

Last edited by RavenMorganLeigh (October 7, 2015 7:16 pm)

She shot him in the liver. Which, according to some studies, have a very high success rate for survival.

Liberty wrote:

I think she wanted him to bleed out to the point of unconsciousness (incapacitated).    I'm not sure where else would have worked. 

Well, she's an asassin, with all that ninja training. With a gun. Surely, she could have shot him in the shoulder or the leg, and then pistol-whipped him into unconsciouness the way she did Janine, the white supremist guard, and finally Magnussen. (Who I suspect was the one to actually call the ambulance.)

Another thing: it doesn't make sense to say things like (and I'm just using examples that I see often) She panicked, she was distraught, she was worried about keeping her husband ignorant of her past, she was in a hurry, etc, -- and then turn around and say that the actual shot was precisely and calmly calculated (like Spock with a handgun) to cause the least bit of damage, but then since Sherlock (nearly) died-- it didn't work. That's a whole lot of convoluted thinking to get to the idea that "Mary didn't really mean it." 

Thank you guys for being patient with me-- I'm in the middle of writing a story-- so, I'm really, really trying to get my brain around this episode. 

Last edited by RavenMorganLeigh (October 7, 2015 7:45 pm)

nakahara wrote:

Everytime we start having discussion about Mary shooting "only" to the liver, I´m feeling like in the Monty Python comedy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjEcj8KpuJw

She shot him!
Oh, but it was just into the liver... it´s just a scratch, a flesh wound... 

LOVE IT. 

Somebody has to write a fic that has Sherlock waking up from flatlining, saying that...

Last edited by RavenMorganLeigh (October 7, 2015 7:48 pm)

Please quote anyone who said that it was "only" the liver, and that it was only a flesh wound, because I must have missed those posts.

Last edited by Vhanja (October 7, 2015 7:50 pm)

nakahara wrote:

Vhanja wrote:

Please quote anyone who said that it was "only" the liver, and that it was only a flesh wound, because I must have missed those posts.

Nobody said it verbatim (and I was just making a joke, as always, I didn´t try to offend you)... 

It´s just that a wound to the liver is still a nasty one and there´s a chance you could die even from that. So for me it´s a very bad example of Mary´s good intentions - almost in style of the Monty Python scene I just mentioned.

You're battin' a thousand today! "Mary's good intentions"-- I'm ROLLING.

Wow, there are a few people actually dying after being shot in the liver??? I would not have suspected that 

Vhanja wrote:

It seems you misunderstand what people write about the liver damage, and exaggerate what people are trying to get across. It's bordering on ridiculing other people's opinions.

Sorry, I´ll crawl back into my joke corner - I was a black sheep here again. 
 

Out of all the opinions presented in the last couple of pages, this is the one I agree with the most:

Liberty wrote:

I felt the ending of S2 was skimmed over in S3 and if that's an indicator, then we're not going to get an investigation of what "really" happened with Mary in Magnussen's office.  Sherlock's deduction is THE deduction for that event.

I think it's quite possible that we will not get closure on the particular point under discussion.