RavenMorganLeigh wrote:

mrshouse wrote:

Well, yes, I'm a Johnlocker, but my problem with Mary, as we have discussed widely in various Mary-threads, was NEVER EVER that she gets in the way of "my" ship. I'm no stubborn teenage girl swooning. I ADORED Sarah, just for the record. I want concentration on the boys, and noone treating them like dummys and running after them to save their butts. So, back to Holmes and Watson, please, and therefore - Topic!- no baby, please....

YES!!!!!! Spot on. 

yes, same here, I certainly wasn't saying that that's what Johnlockers do. No explanation needed. I feel the same.

This doesn't mean Moffat thinks the same, though.
 

So many important points covered. I am impressed. And it would fit with the "devastating" ideas for series 4, especially if combined with other ideas about Mycroft, etc. 

nakahara wrote:

Very detailed an interesting meta about the problem of Baby Watson:

http://deducingbbcsherlock.tumblr.com/post/80839602370/why-we-may-never-meet-baby-watson
 

I haven't gotten far in this thread, but just read this one now. And was quite impressed, she brings up many valid and good points about the baby and when it's mentioned.

I seriously doubt the pregnancy being fake, though. John is her husband, they share a bed. It makes no sense at all that he wouldn't notice a fake belly.

Yeah.  And besides, why would she want to fake the pregnancy symptoms that she showed in The Sign of Three? Wouldn't make the wedding fun to complain about the wine you chose  just to put on an act.  Besides, she cringes from tasting it even after Sherlock's walked away.  I doubt she'd keep up the masquerade if nobody was looking.  He sickness that morning was assumed as just nerves, so coupled with the other things Sherlock notices and that we see, there's no reason it shouldn't be true,

I don't even believe the 'the baby is David's' story because in my eyes there is no reason why Mary would ever cheat on John. She is in love with him and they've only been going out for like a year, so why would she sleep with someone else?

It would certainly help to explain Mary's "you won't love me" line. 

I think an affair seems terribly mundane, though.  After her shooting Sherlock and turning out to be an assassin, the big revelation is that she had an affair?  And I agree with the above - why would she have an affair, if she's so attached to John?  (I know these things happen in real life, but it's fiction).   And she seems surprised by the pregnancy: if she was having an affair, then you'd think that risk would be on her mind. 

There would have to be a particular reason, maybe work-related, why she was sleeping with this guy.   But Sherlock has researched him and he doesn't seem to have any strange history that would make that likely. 

Mary's fear when she hears about the pregnancy, could be because she doesn't know whose child it is.   Obviously she and John have an active enough sex life that it doesn't occur to John that she couldn't have conceived with him in that time frame.   So Mary can't know the baby is David's, can she?  Unless she knows something about John that he doesn't (that he's infertile). 

Which probably means that Mary is waiting for the baby to be born to find out the father.  But there's no guarantee that she'll confess to John (she clearly hasn't done so far).  If there's a good chance the baby is his, she might just keep quiet.   In which case, nobody would find out, unless there was something obvious like an inherited condition (John and David have similar colouring).    Perhaps she could secretly get DNA testing, and find out that the baby was David's, but then what?   It would be a bit of a soap opera/Jeremy Kyle style revelation if she told John (or perhaps had him coming across test results)..

The trouble is, by that time the baby would be John's too.  He and Mary are married, he has thought of himself as the father through the pregnancy, and bonded with the baby after birth.  The child would be legally and emotionally his.   It wouldn't be an easy exit from his life, just because he found out that they weren't biologically related. 

So no, I don't think that an affair, on it's own, would work.  It would need some other amazing story to explain it.

Maybe he has an enormous

bank account/lot of enthusiasm./amount of information that Mary somehow needs

?

And just another quick point - infidelity, or the possibility of it, seems to be what Sherlock is looking for when he checks out David.  He pre-emptively warns David off, but it's clear that he didn't deduce any current affair with Mary.    And that would have been around the time that baby Watson was conceived. 

Last edited by Liberty (September 21, 2015 9:07 am)

I think it says a lot about how dark the show is (or how dark we believe the show to become) when we believe that an affair resulting in the baby not being John's would be the least painful alternative for him... 

mrshouse - I think in the short-term it would be the least painful alternative for me as well. In the long term, I think I might be disappointed if that was all there was to it.

Prediction:

The child will be actually Sherlock´s, not John´s. Mary liked Sherlock a bit too much.

This will be the reason of reducing an audience to tears in S4.