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- SolarSystem
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Re: HOW did Mary do all this
SusiGo wrote:
And throughout three whole episodes they apparently endeavoured not to have him and Mary meet (until the very end, that is). And then we do not see any interaction between them. Which makes me inclined to go for option 2.
Very good point. We know that Mycroft's interests aren't always identical with Sherlock's - just look at their different approaches when it comes to how to deal with CAM. So in the case of Mary there 'simply' might be a reason we don't know anything yet about why there is no interaction between her and Mycroft. Because there is more to Mycroft and his knowledge about her than we think.
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Re: HOW did Mary do all this
Didn't the writer say in an interview that Mary climbed the building but they decided not to show it after all?
Who says that Mycroft checked Mary personally? I doubt that he felt that this matter deserved his attention, so he would have ordered one of his flunkies to do it. And Mary is not John. She is certainly capable of creating a believable new identity. Everything she had to do is to make the death certificate of the real Mary Morstan vanish, so that it won't come up during a simple check. It also certainly helped that she was already living this identity a couple of years when she meet John. If the last four years check out, why dig any deeper? Who would prepare a background fit for meeting John before John even knew Sherlock? Or Sherlock started to hunt for Moriaty for that matter?
(Which is by the way the biggest reason why the fan theory that Mary was planted by Moriaty is very unlikely.)
Well, firstly we know that at least John deserved his attention during Sherlock's absence.
And secondly, the "she's blank and cannot be a plant" argument only holds providing she really lived an innocent life before meeting John and didn't live up to the " old contacts".
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Re: HOW did Mary do all this
And Mary is not John. She is certainly capable of creating a believable new identity. Everything she had to do is to make the death certificate of the real Mary Morstan vanish, so that it won't come up during a simple check.
The thing is that her identity is not very solid. It takes Sherlock (in a drugged an injured state) less than a day to find out the truth, once he starts looking. Mycroft has access to a whole lot more information than Sherlock. There are likely no records whatsoever between her birth and 5 years before HLV. Even if Mycroft did not check her herself (unlikely, why trust the goldfish with someone that close to his brother?), that should have caused some suspicion, ergo some deeper digging, which, apparently, leads directly to a gravestone in Chiswick Cemetery.
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Re: HOW did Mary do all this
Mycroft researched John at once although he had no reason to assume anything was off with him either.
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Re: HOW did Mary do all this
Mycroft wouldn't have to do more than a standard check to come up with everything about John, no effort required--the military keeps highly invasive records. The only thing he did extra was tell a minion to get hold of the psychologist's records, and that is explained by the fact that someone seeing a counselor was moving in with his brother--let's make sure it's the obvious and not something dangerous. He'd have no reason to do more than an equally cursory check on Mary--she wasn't moving in to Baker Street.
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Re: HOW did Mary do all this
True. Still, they do take great care throughout series 3 to avoid Mycroft meeting Mary. And after the shooting it simply does not make sense for Mycroft not to dig around and find out about her past. Which leaves us again with the same questions.
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Re: HOW did Mary do all this
OTOH, I'm sure it would never occur to Mycroft that Sherlock would not denounce his shooter because it was someone he liked--"caring is not an advantage." He would be more likely to think Sherlock was holding back information if it were someone that Sherlock wanted the satisfaction of catching himself.
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