I never said that John does not love Mary. But I doubt that she loves him (at least in the sense of a selfless love in which you cherish the other's wellbeing and maybe even put it before your own). He says to Sherlock that he loves her. That is enough for me. But from Mary we do not even get this. It would have been so easy to make her say it to John only once or to Sherlock or anyone else. But they chose not to. Therefore the only relationship in which love is mutually stated in words in the script is the one between Sherlock and John. 

Mouse (and whom it concerns ), I have written an answer to your post with quotes and all. But it would have been off topic here, so I've posted it in the "Johnlock - the official debate" thread. I really would like you to take a look at it and keep up the debate.

Mouse wrote:

We never hear Mary say the words, "I love you," to John. Do all your friends who are couples say "I love you" in front of you? You may be right, but, on the flip side, we rarely see John and Mary alone in intimate situations, and we have seen Mary's desperate panic when John was in danger, the fact that she married him, the fact that she cried when he told her he was coming home, her heartfelt, "God, yes," when John asked her if the name Mary Watson was good enough for her...I could go on.
 

The important thing to keep in mind is that this is not real life, but that the writers chose very carefully what to show and what not. I like to believe that in a high quality show like Sherlock, there are no coincidences. Every scene, every sentence is well placed. And so is the absence of sentences. The writers surely left out the love declaration on purpose. Interpreting WHY they left it out is up to us.

How many options on why are there really?

Like Schmiezi already said, they show us everything that they want/need us to see. They took quite a lot of time to show us how Sherlock feels about John in an episode about the wedding of John and Mary. And even if the show is not about John and Mary but about Sherlock and John, it wouldn't have hurt anyone to show us some affection between John and Mary if they had wanted us to see that. To be honest, I saw much more chemistry and emotion between John and Sarah than I did see between John and Mary - but that's probably just me.
It remains to be seen why John seemingly did forgive Mary in HLV. I'm still not convinced he really did. I heard words, words, words coming from John in that christmas scene with Mary, but I didn't feel it.

I want John to shoot Mary.  And I don't say this as a joke or just because I'm a johnlocker or because I "hate" the character. 

I honestly think the most exciting arch for John and Mary is for Mary to turn out to be a true villian and for John to have to shoot her to save Sherlock or something.  We've seen John angry and confused, now I want to see him filled with a rightous rage.

In no way do I want to see John heartbroken again.

I want Mary to be bad enough that he might be heartbroken for 2 seconds but will be filled with wrath when Sherlock is threatened.

There are different kinds of heartbreak.

And truth be told, in my opinion John may already be working up to this.  I think that it is a very real possibility that he and Sherlock are already plotting to nuturalize her at the end of HLV.

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Lola Red wrote:

I only want two things concerning John. No more heartbreak, and for him to move back to Baker Street. I do miss the domestic John/Sherlock moments. And I would like less use of weapons and more use of brain, it’s the new sexy.

 
I understand your feelings.  I think the majority of people do.  In order for John to move back to Baker Street something has to happen to Mary.  I want this to happen in an exciting and twisty way.

RavenMorganLeigh wrote:

I'd rather have John shoot Sherlock, than have Sherlock be in any way responsible for her death. 

Idon't want another season (or two) of John blaming Sherlock and distancing himself--or swearing off the freindship entirely till season 5! 

Yeah, John might be sad-- but, I'd rather Sherlock be able to be a support for him, rather than being the scapegoat. Again. 

In my head I can see the scenario going in such a way that John does not blame Sherlock for Mary's death.  One of the things I mean by wanting to see Mary revealed as a True Villian.
 

I definitely agree that John shooting Mary would be absolutely thrilling! I'm fine with her being pure evil or her truely trying to be good. But either way...her and the baby simply must go. The show could not continue if they survive the next series. It would become less about Sherlock and would tank the show. I think it would be humorous for Sherlock in attempt to be 'human' and cheer John up after their deaths to point out getting (or surprising John with) a bulldog puppy. Just to poke fun at the "bull pup" reference, though I do believe it was meant to descripe either his temperment or a weapon not a dog. Of course John would refuse...but it would be cute and I would love it!

I still hope Mary just escapes + her daughter survives. Would hate to see John too heartbroken.