I started out not being terribly exited for Mary (maybe because I came later to the fandom, so I was never terribly excited about seeing Martin and Amanda acting opposite each other, I only figured out the connection between them later). I still remain quite neutral about her. I was pleased that she seemed to fit in so well with the boys, not disrupting the chemistry between them too much, but rather adding to it and actively pushing them to spend time together. I did not like the developments of HLV, not because it awoke anger in me, but because I found that assassin storyline completely unnecessary. I found that Mary was a fitting character for the show before that, I did not feel she needed that background to become “more interesting”. Now I am a bit torn. On the one side I would wish for Mary to become more of a supporting character al la Mrs Hudson or Molly. Someone who would support the boys from the side-lines and every now and then give us a great moment. But with her background that would now seem OOC, also (bad writing aside) there should be a reason to include her assassin past, which likely means that Mary will spent some more time in the foreground. So part of me wants to go back to the core of the show, which are Sherlock Holmes and Dr Watson, but another part of me wants the Moftiss to be better writers than that (and I believe they belong to the best TV writers of the moment). So I honestly cannot say what I would wish for concerning Mary in the next season.

Lola Red wrote:

RavenMorganLeigh wrote:

Lola Red wrote:

I agree with Vhanja here. It is all right to respectfully discuss an opposing view, to give counter arguments and ask questions, but calling your discussion partner “fanatical” or suffering from “wishful thinking” or an unexplainable “need”, while calling oneself “insightful” is hardly helping the general atmosphere. So I ask you all to keep the tone of discussion respectful towards everyone, even if you don’t agree with them.

Again, I am apologizing, if I caused ruffled feathers or hurt feelings. Mea culpa. :-(

No harm done here 
 

 
Oh, good. I can be a bit passionate at times.

Swanpride wrote:

 And then they twist came and I liked her even more. Because beforehand Mary was nice, but also a little bit boring (which was more than I expected). But allowing her to be as complicated as the main characters of the show was, in my eyes, a clever move.

I agree with the last part. But when I watched again TEH and TSoT some things fell into place for me and convinced me that there were hints to her true nature in these episodes as well. 

 

With respect I disagree and defend my right to use the word fanatical and also others rights to be free to think and say whatever they like..give us controversy and entertainment and fun and wit and satire.. I encourage all  to be creative and interesting and amusing and please...please!..save us from nice and dull and a deadly bland...what kind of fascist hell would that be!

lil wrote:

With respect I disagree and defend my right to use the word fanatical and also others rights to be free to think and say whatever they like..give us controversy and entertainment and fun and wit and satire.. I encourage all to be creative and interesting and amusing and please...please!..save us from nice and dull and a deadly bland...what kind of fascist hell would that be!

lil, you are of cause free to express your thoughts and opinions, but to willingly hurt other peoples feeling for no other reason than having an opinion different than your own is far from “controversy and entertainment and fun and wit and satire” or “creative and interesting and amusing”. Having respect for other people and their feelings is in no way “nice and dull and deadly bland” and could not possibly be further away from a “fascist hell”.

Harriet, apparently I have to defend or explain myself for asking people to be respectful and polite to each other and to not extend their dislike of a character to the actress who plays it. This is something I find difficult to understand, but I will attempt to clear things up. As I wrote in my opening post for this thread, this is a place for discussion about the character of Mary Morstan, but I will not have any negativity towards Amanda and I asked people to be polite to each other even when opinions differ. Until now, by far most of the people seemed to accept those rules and had the most diverse discussions about the character. If someone unintentionally crossed a line, things where usually sorted out quickly and no lasting harm was done. But now some seem to find it unacceptable to not be able to call a fellow forum member “fanatic” or suffering from “wishful thinking” for having an opinion different from their own.

If you find it important to ridicule, belittle or personally offend other users (or Amanda) then I politely ask you to do that elsewhere, not in this thread. If you want to state your opinion about the character of Mary Mostan and have discussions about it in a respectful manner you are more than welcome to do so here.

Of cause I am nether a Mod nor an Admin, so I can only voice requests, if you follow those is entirely up to you.

As I said when we discussed the tweet in the first place, I did not see anything out of line concerning Amanda; I was just as a precaution asking people to leave her out of a discussion that was getting heated again as far as possible.

Wow, Lola, that were quite a lot of insinuations in one post.

Absolutely! I'm also not keen to discuss her, it is just my impression that she sometimes seems to fuel things herself...Anyway, that should be it for me...

We seem to have drifted far afield here.  I would like to respectfully ask that everone step back, take a breath and resume discusion of the show and not each other.  I will strip to my knickers and start throwing glltter if I have to!

TOPIC!   What the hell is up with Mary?