If the baby will be envolved in any way, i hope / expect it to have a bigger role in an episode or something. Because I think "just" for helping the relationship between mary and john it's not worth it. They made up a big challenge for themselves to solve this whole thing without dissapointing the fans, and I think for that they really need to have a plan and a good storyline that is worth it the big step. I mean, they risk to dissapoint many fans, because after the things i've read most of us want the baby to not take part of the lifes of Sherlock and John.
But at the same time I personally hope that they will find a way so the baby doesn't make it, because the thing I probably like the most about this show is the relationship between Sherlock and John. The problem here is, like you stated, how they gonna make it without breaking everyones heart, from the fans but especially John. In season 3 he had to go through so much stuff, first the whole thing with Sherlock, then Mary. I can't imagine moffat or gatiss being so cruel and taking him his baby (okay that sounded very dramatic).

Oh and the idea of letting mary die in the christmas episode and then making the first episode "two years later"
But what is with Moriaty? After his impressive comeback massage (I think he will come back) I expect them to do something with him too. And not just years later? Maybe I just missunderstood something
 

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Dorothy83 wrote:

RavenMorganLeigh wrote:

Ah-chie wrote:

I didn't read into his comments anything about Mary leaving John. I think it might be speculated that the baby might not make it but he seemed to be making it plain to me that Mary is more likely to be around.

-Val

I think the suprise might end up being that Mary and Baby are around-- for at least another season, if not permanently. It's not what I'd like-- but, I think that might be the direction they're headed in. Everybody expects them to get rid of Mary and the Baby, so why would they do it? 

then why would Amanda say 'we all know what happens to Mary, I know how it happens'?

Seems like it's pretty much decided to me....
 

 
Well, she said that like, before the season even aired, if I recall--- what I've heard recently seems to lead one to believe that Mofftiss decided to keep Mary in the show for the duration...

No, Raven - Amanda said that last year, some time after the announcement of the special and s4. After they said that the actors had been briefed about S4 and that they were 'brought to tears'.

Where did you see that they've decided to keep her? I haven't heard nothing from Moffat that makes me think so.

Dorothy83 wrote:

No, Raven - Amanda said that last year, some time after the announcement of the special and s4. After they said that the actors had been briefed about S4 and that they were 'brought to tears'.

Where did you see that they've decided to keep her? I haven't heard nothing from Moffat that makes me think so.

My recall may not be all that great (getting old!) -- and I hope feverently that you're right! :-)

Of course-- the "brought to tears" quote could mean *anyone* could die-- people have speculated Mrs. Hudson (NO!!!!) or Mycroft ((((NNOOOOOOO!!!!)))). 

Dorothy83 wrote:

I choose to believe what Amanda said. I believe she wouldn't have said that if it wasn't true - she doesn't really lie and try to confuse us like Mofftiss do

I'm not saying that she's lying-- she just might not actually know the truth! After all, Amanda had no idea her character was going to end up shooting Sherlock!

Dorothy83 wrote:

RavenMorganLeigh wrote:

Dorothy83 wrote:

I choose to believe what Amanda said. I believe she wouldn't have said that if it wasn't true - she doesn't really lie and try to confuse us like Mofftiss do

I'm not saying that she's lying-- she just might not actually know the truth! After all, Amanda had no idea her character was going to end up shooting Sherlock!

so you think they lied to her about Mary dying and also *how* she died?

I don't think so, but even so, though, I haven't seen any indication from Moffat or Gatiss so far that they are planning to keep her - unless I've missed something. They keep talking about how s4 will make us cry and since they think we all love Mary so much, I can't help but think Mary's fate will play a bit part in the s4 drama...

Honestly-- if they go that route-- I'm almost going to be a bit ...disappointed, because it's almost TOO obvious. I'd like them to finally give us some backstory-- character motivations and all of that stuff before they whack her! :-)

RavenMorganLeigh wrote:

Dorothy83 wrote:

RavenMorganLeigh wrote:

I'm not saying that she's lying-- she just might not actually know the truth! After all, Amanda had no idea her character was going to end up shooting Sherlock!

so you think they lied to her about Mary dying and also *how* she died?

I don't think so, but even so, though, I haven't seen any indication from Moffat or Gatiss so far that they are planning to keep her - unless I've missed something. They keep talking about how s4 will make us cry and since they think we all love Mary so much, I can't help but think Mary's fate will play a bit part in the s4 drama...

Honestly-- if they go that route-- I'm almost going to be a bit ...disappointed, because it's almost TOO obvious. I'd like them to finally give us some backstory-- character motivations and all of that stuff before they whack her! :-)

character motivation for what? We already know what she did. We don't know in detail because we're supposed to go along with John's 'romantic gesture' of refusing to read the usb stick and awww at it. But like John said, she is now Mary Watson, so I don't think they're going to delve into her backstory anymore than that - and I agree because, really, that would make the show too 'Mary-centric', and the show is not about her.
 

Gosh, he cannot truly believe this, can he? 

Why not? That's the direction he wanted us to go in HLV. Lovely Mary turns into Killer Mary (wow twist!)  - Killer Mary turns into Poor-Mary-who-did-it-for-love-and-actually-saved-Sherlock's-life (wow another twist!) - John takes her back = audience swoons.

I am convinced that he thinks that whoever doesn't like her now does so because they're Johnlockers who don't want Mary in the way.

(ps I NEVER thought Mary was lovely, NEVER EVER liked her - but some people seemed to adore her before HLV and Moffat knows that)

mrshouse wrote:

Well, yes, I'm a Johnlocker, but my problem with Mary, as we have discussed widely in various Mary-threads, was NEVER EVER that she gets in the way of "my" ship. I'm no stubborn teenage girl swooning. I ADORED Sarah, just for the record. I want concentration on the boys, and noone treating them like dummys and running after them to save their butts. So, back to Holmes and Watson, please, and therefore - Topic!- no baby, please....

YES!!!!!! Spot on.