Yeah, figured ;)

Brilliant start!
Erm, Susi, should we move the party to THE OTHER thread? 

Hm.....okay.  Convinced. 

Doesn't everybody love The Princess Bride? .  Fantastic film, and very difficult to avoid quoting. 

Moftiss have said before that the friendship is the most important part of the stories (or words to that effect).  I've got an ancient quote from Steven: "You know I think the Sherlock Holmes stories have always been about the friendship.  I mean, the surface level is the detection, but what you fall in love with is these two impossible opposites who adore each other."  They could be using the detective aspect to lure people into seeing the relationship instead, but I'm not sure ... I think the relationship is attractive to viewers right from the beginning.

There's a link to Mark's "softly, softly" quote - now that keeps coming up, but I don't think we all agree on the interpretation.   To me Mark seems to be saying that what he would like to see is gay relationships being "incidental" on TV - characters just happen to be gay in the same way as characters just happen to be straight (as in real life!).  "I think the problem still is, [being gay] becomes the issue. I think the thing with gay characters is that it has to be an issue, as opposed to being part of everyday life — which of course, as we all know, is what it is". If he'd wanted Johnlock, then it seems the opposite of what Moftiss have done - instead of making them just happen to be gay, they've made them closeted/in denial/etc. i.e. making the fact that it's a same sex relationship the issue.  

I agree, I never saw John has homoromantic/sexual (never knew there were two different words for that). If there is no Johnlock, he's straight. If there is, he's bi. I do believe he honestly loves Mary. He even says so himself, I can't see anything that goes against that.

And loving Mary is of course not a reason for not loving Sherlock. He even says that too "The two people that I care about and love the most...". 

Erm, yeah, that's a way to look at things, thank you, tonnaree. 

The problem is, which  Mary does John love , the facade Mary? And wouldn't that facade be one Mary put on to...idk be what Mary thinks John might want/fall in love with...which takes everything back to sexual attraction...and how do we judge if it's there...either in the Mary/John or the Sherlock/John relationships.
There isn't really anything for sure in either relationship....smouldering intense looks on one side...and marriage@ pregnancy on the other...neither are really definitive of sexuality..which in itself isn't definative or fixed.
Oscar Wilde had children..and a wife but I think most people would box him up as gay....the love Q doesn't help the..is it sexual Q at all.
John could be completely straight..and still have an abnormal -for John- sexual attraction to Sherlock.
We can't judge eye dilation or take pulses etc and could they even act that....  So until we get action or script to show otherwise....I don't see how we will ever know.

I particularly like this one:

SusiGo wrote:

….for two hours we rambled about together, in silence for the most part, as befits two men who know each other intimately….

I think it says something rather lovely about their relationship.
 

Mrshouse, I am shocked! 

Does this belong here or in the other thread?

http://joolabee.tumblr.com/post/120369020269