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Sherlock's reaction when Moriarty shoots himself
I've just watch this part again and focussing in on the moment when Jim pulls the gun from his pocket and before he subsequently shoots himself, it looks to me as if, just for a split second, Sherlock thinks he might be shot by Moriarty and that he is unprepared for this possibility. Am I barking up the wrong tree here?
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Re: Sherlock's reaction when Moriarty shoots himself
That is exactly the take I have on his reaction. That would be a logical one after al, for anyone.
You & a sworn enemy in a 'heated & cryptic' exchange, the other guy pulls a gun. What else could you instantly assume?
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Re: Sherlock's reaction when Moriarty shoots himself
Same here. Sherlock tells Moriarty that he had been beaten, Moriarty agrees and then pulls out a gun?
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I think Moriarty does it for the reason he states: he'll be bored, now he thinks he's beaten Sherlock. But it may also be the signal to the snipers.
I am convinced Sherlock was not expecting it.
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Re: Sherlock's reaction when Moriarty shoots himself
I'm still torn if Sherlock was not expecting or acting. I'm leaning toward acting because I believe Sherlock was ahead of Moriarty the entire time. He just couldn't let it show so Moriarty would fall in his trap. He knew Moriarty had to die somehow before he jumped or else Moriarty would have seen the suicide was fake and would have the snipers kill everyone. I think...haha.
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Yeah, but was Sherlock expecting to have to commit suicide? Did he not just think it may be a scuffle? He was hoping to escape...
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Re: Sherlock's reaction when Moriarty shoots himself
Sherlock is a good actor, but I think he was surprised. He jumped like that in Pink when John shot the cabbie, and there was no one to be acting for there.
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Re: Sherlock's reaction when Moriarty shoots himself
besleybean wrote:
Yeah, but was Sherlock expecting to have to commit suicide? Did he not just think it may be a scuffle? He was hoping to escape...
Sherlock yes, because he had everything set up for him to jump before he went to the roof. Or do you mean Moriarty commit suicide? Maybe he wasn't expected that I suppose. It's still a toss up for me. I'm going off this theory that I love and can very well see to be the case.
Sherlock is a good actor, but I think he was surprised. He jumped like that in Pink when John shot the cabbie, and there was no one to be acting for there.
Moriarty could have had cameras up there. Sherlock may have wanted to play it safe by acting just in case someone was watching. People were watching his every move basically throughout the whole episode. Not saying I think this for sure though.
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Re: Sherlock's reaction when Moriarty shoots himself
Let's ask the question the other way round?
Was Sherlock able to see the outline or bulge in Moriarty's pocket (if there is one)?.
We are supposed to believe that Sherlck can see through everything and everyone in seconds (according to John).
He saw the gun or not gun in the shoulder holster of the American guy in 221 b in Scandal. He saw through the coat of the guy in 221 b who "abducted" him to go to the Palace. He saw the bulge in Kitty's pocket, too.
So I think it is not far fetched to assume that Sherlock was able to see whether Moriarty had a gun in his pocket.
I had a look at Moriarty's left pocket on the roof. Is this a bulge? Or a fold?
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I would assume that Moriarty always had a gun somewhere with him....... I mean, he is the good old villain. 
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I would assume that Moriarty always had a gun somewhere with him....... I mean, he is the good old villain.
So it is probably save to say that Sherlock knew Moriarty had a gun? Sherlock knew from the tea scene that he was left handed. And he had the previous experience with the handshake and being shot at.
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Re: Sherlock's reaction when Moriarty shoots himself
But then there was his reaction after Moriarty had shot himself. Looked quite surprised, too. And then there was nobody who could see......
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Re: Sherlock's reaction when Moriarty shoots himself
And I suppose Sherlock reacted the way he did because he may have expected Moriarty to try and kill him (Sherlock) but not himself.
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And then there was nobody who could see......
Was there...?
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And then there was nobody who could see......
Was there...?
Exactly. Moriarty says "unless my people see you jump." Who's watching? Who's listening? The sniper? Maybe, but someone else could be watching, too. And how would Moriarty give the recall code? We'll just have to see
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Re: Sherlock's reaction when Moriarty shoots himself
And then there was nobody who could see......
Was there...?
Exactly. Moriarty says "unless my people see you jump." Who's watching? Who's listening? The sniper? Maybe, but someone else could be watching, too. And how would Moriarty give the recall code? We'll just have to see
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Was there...?
Exactly. Moriarty says "unless my people see you jump." Who's watching? Who's listening? The sniper? Maybe, but someone else could be watching, too. And how would Moriarty give the recall code? We'll just have to see
Kitty: You are save here, Richard. They wouldn't harm you in front of witnesses.
Sherlock in Hounds: No witnesses I suppose. Never are.
Mr. Crayhill: We are not calling any witnesses.
I don't understand the one from Hounds...that's about Fletcher seeing the dog, right?
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I just think of it like this:
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Re: Sherlock's reaction when Moriarty shoots himself
Sherlock was clearly surprised. Apparently the suicide of Moriarty crossed his plans in some way.
Even if there were men watching (how many metres away?) Sherlock hadn't had to act. That would have changed nothing.
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