She is one of the best IMO. 

Yes, the sense of this rule is highly questionable IMO. Slightly OT: I recently watched a German TV documentation about a gay journalist who investigated homophobia in daily life. He wanted to register as a possible bone marrow donator and was excluded for the same reason. 

Well, this sums it all up pretty nicely. I do have to admit that I find some of the points a bit too overanalyzing, but there are some fairly convincing stuff in here as well:

http://221behavior.tumblr.com/post/115117183322/cherrybee75-the-johnlock-conspiracy-your-guide-to

Not quite sure what thread this bit would fit in, so I just put it here. I've never thought of it that way, but it's kind of moving. Poor Sherlock.

http://cant-deny-the-johnlock-ship.tumblr.com/post/115411582096/zombiejohnlock-oh-sherlock

So WHY aren't you doing exactly this, now that you have the perfect opportunity?

*sighs*

http://loudest-subtext-in-television.tumblr.com/post/116583021171/mark-gatiss-on-the-changing-portrayal-of-lgbt

Vhanja wrote:

So WHY aren't you doing exactly this, now that you have the perfect opportunity?

*sighs*

http://loudest-subtext-in-television.tumblr.com/post/116583021171/mark-gatiss-on-the-changing-portrayal-of-lgbt

Because the endless fan-wank amuses him more? 
 

Ok, what, what what?

I just a read a recap of the Sherlocked convention, where Moftiss were speaking. According to this recap we have the following gem:

"Steven did say that John was not too happy about Sherlock getting along with Mary. "

Source: http://221behavior.tumblr.com/post/117353491897/mark-and-steven-talk-at-sherlocked

Ok, that makes NO sense to me at all. Let's for a moment say that John is hetero and sees Sherlock as this asexual kind of friend, period. 

Wouldn't he be thrilled that his wife and this slightly oddball of a friend who really doesn't get along with anyone, did get along with his wife? 

I don't see John as a jealous type. From the interaction in S3 between Sherlock and Mary, I think it's clear to everyone that the two of them are not romantically interested in each other. (John's remark "You two should've gotten married" I think is just out of sheer frustration and anger that the two of them are oddballs that share a mutual understanding when it comes to stuff that "normal" people wouldn't get).

So why on earth wouldn't John be happy about Sherlock and Mary getting along? If he is hetero and in love with Mary and Mary alone, that makes no sense.

Last edited by Vhanja (April 26, 2015 1:51 am)

To be honest, I don't get this from the show (although I'll watch again, with it in mind and see what I think).   I can see it as being possible though - obviously, if you introduce your lover to your better-looking, more intelligent, enigmatic best friend, and they instantly click and get on like a house on fire, then you might feel moments of doubt.  John might see Sherlock as asexual in practice, but he believes that he fell for Irene - he knows that he does have a sexuality.  (And Irene and Mary do have a little bit in common).  I don't think he'd suspect them of having an affair, but I could see him being envious of the bond and the connection.   Sherlock does act differently around Mary (compared to John's other girlfriends) - probably a combination of liking her and recognising that John loves her.   

But I agree, Vhanja, that they don't appear to be romantically interested in each other, and I don't think John suspects that/is jealous of that.  If it's there, it might be more of a dissatisfaction with them ganging up together (which they kind of do, right at the first meeting - when Mary appears to "side" with Sherlock during their arguments and go back to talk to him).  The "you should have got married" comment is about a connection between them (they both used Janine), rather than a hint at anything sexual.   So yes, although I think it's quite possible that a straight man might feel a little sexual jealousy if his wife and very attractive best friend seemed to be attracted to each other, I don't think this is sexual.  I got the impression that on the whole, John's pleased that they do get on with each other.

I don't understand quite what you mean in the context of Johnlock, though.  If he's straight and in love with Mary, then it would make sense for him to feel some jealousy if he thought she was overfriendly with Sherlock, wouldn't it?  (And if John was knowingly in love with Sherlock then he wouldn't be marrying Mary - but that's another story!).

Last edited by Liberty (April 26, 2015 7:39 am)

What I mean is that this would make sense in that context - if John was straight and in love with Mary, then of course he could be jealous if he thought she was interested in another man.  I just don't think that's what's happening (Sherlock and Mary have a connection, but not a sexual one).

(I do think John is shown as straight, but I think Sherlock is only shown as asexual by practice - he chooses not to act on his sexuality). 

I agree. Regarding the relationship between Sherlock and Mary I have always felt somehow forced, i.e. that I am meant to see something that is not really there. For example Sherlock's quip about John's weight never really rang true to me. And it is such a contrast to Mary's "just fibbing" comments and her manipulation of both men in TSoT. Does not convince me.