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March 7, 2015 1:17 pm  #681


Re: Fan Fiction Addicts General Round Table Discusion - ADULT CONTENT

I think construcive criticism is a good thing. Praise is of course wonderful, but that isn't what makes you better or makes you learn from your mistake.

However, two important things here: 

1. Emphasis on "constructive". Criticism shouldn't be harsh, rude or sarcastic. And a comment, I think, should also include what you liked about the fic, not just what you didn't like.
2. Fanfic should be reviewed as fanfic, not as published literature (novels). If I'm reviewing a romantic comedy, I shouldn't criticise it for lacking explosions and car chases. Likewise, a fanfic should be criticised within the terms of fanfic, not as anything else.


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March 7, 2015 1:48 pm  #682


Re: Fan Fiction Addicts General Round Table Discusion - ADULT CONTENT

I'd also like to know how they chose the stories to be studied.  We all know that there is some amazing work out there just in the Sherlock fandom.  I'd like to see them reading something like "Alone on the Water."


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March 7, 2015 11:02 pm  #683


Re: Fan Fiction Addicts General Round Table Discusion - ADULT CONTENT

Oh my god, tonnaree, I saw you comment above and decided to look up "Alone in the Water". I assumed it was the one by Mad_Lori (plenty of kudos so it must be good). I read it. I cried (understatement). What an absolutely heartbreaking, beautiful story. I'm so glad I read it, but I'm so sad, I'm going to have to watch Sherlock just to remind myself that it didn't "really happen"!  I actually had a dream last night with Benedict in it... Can't remember really anything about it, except that there was sadness and loss 

I look forward to reading any fanfic you recommend, you have good taste.

Edit: actually, I think I need to listen to some Cabin Pressure, or I might feel miserable all day 

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March 7, 2015 11:21 pm  #684


Re: Fan Fiction Addicts General Round Table Discusion - ADULT CONTENT

ukaunz wrote:

Oh my god, tonnaree, I saw you comment above and decided to look up "Alone in the Water". I assumed it was the one by Mad_Lori (plenty of kudos so it must be good). I read it. I cried (understatement). What an absolutely heartbreaking, beautiful story. I'm so glad I read it, but I'm so sad, I'm going to have to watch Sherlock just to remind myself that it didn't "really happen"! I actually had a dream last night with Benedict in it... Can't remember really anything about it, except that there was sadness and loss

I look forward to reading any fanfic you recommend, you have good taste.

Edit: actually, I think I need to listen to some Cabin Pressure, or I might feel miserable all day

Glad you liked it!
I think reading Alone on the Water is sort of a rite of passage in the Sherlock fandom!
I normally don't go anywhere near the words "Major Character Death" when reading fan fic but from the moment I joined the fandom I kept hearing about AOTW.  Finally couldn't resist it.

My reaction was much the same as yours.  So beautiful and so sad!  I was sobbing by the end.

Mad Lori is a treasure. 


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March 8, 2015 7:38 am  #685


Re: Fan Fiction Addicts General Round Table Discusion - ADULT CONTENT

Major Character Death is a no-go for me. I read fanfics to enjoy Johnlock, MCD seems to me to be the exact opposite of that. It's just too sad, I can't do it.


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March 8, 2015 8:10 am  #686


Re: Fan Fiction Addicts General Round Table Discusion - ADULT CONTENT

Vhanja wrote:

I think construcive criticism is a good thing. Praise is of course wonderful, but that isn't what makes you better or makes you learn from your mistake.

However, two important things here: 

1. Emphasis on "constructive". Criticism shouldn't be harsh, rude or sarcastic. And a comment, I think, should also include what you liked about the fic, not just what you didn't like.
2. Fanfic should be reviewed as fanfic, not as published literature (novels). If I'm reviewing a romantic comedy, I shouldn't criticise it for lacking explosions and car chases. Likewise, a fanfic should be criticised within the terms of fanfic, not as anything else.

Let me offer my point of view as a fanfic writer.

I write for two reasons.
First, I write about things that can't be seen on screen (yet). (Yes, I'm talking about Johnlock. )
Second, I write about stuff that fulfills my emotional need. (Ever since I gave birth, I am a bit if a drama queen occasionally, so poor Sherlock and John have to go through a lot of pain and angst right now.

I am very happy and very surprised that my angsty fic is such a success, TBH. I never wrote with rhe Intention of getting a certain amount of kudos or comments. And I love those supportive comments.

I also want to improve my writing. That's why I asked three people to beta each and every chapter before I publish it. They give me the constructive criticism I need.

For the comments, I would consider it rather impolite if someone would start criticising my choice of adjectives or the pace of the story. Because the comment section is not the right place for criticism.

I would never say no if someone offered to beta to improve my writing. But there is an unspoken agreement that you leave positive comments or no comments at all.

I feel very comfy with that unspoken rule and can understand how painful it can be if some students who are unfamiliar with your dandom or don't like the pairing would leave harsh comments.


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March 8, 2015 8:45 am  #687


Re: Fan Fiction Addicts General Round Table Discusion - ADULT CONTENT

It would have been so much more helpful if the people running the course (fanfiction writers themselves, I believe, from a skim of the articles?) had started by explaining the culture first.  Looking at the course description, it seems that the course was aimed at fanfic writers, so maybe the tutors thought the students were aware of the etiquette.  Perhaps they should have asked the students to only leave positive or neutral comments - or perhaps they should just have left the comment-leaving part out of the course.  

It's a shame, because it looks like it could be a fun course!

I've dabbled in fanfic in the past and I've posted work deliberately for criticism and also posted it on a fanfic site.   Both experiences were positive, but I think criticism is slightly stressful (in a good way, if it's constructive), whereas the praise on the fanfic site is more stress-relieving and relaxing - different reasons for posting and different feelings.   It would have been a less pleasant experience for me to have criticism on the fanfic site, and after all, I was doing it for my own enjoyment and a break from day to day stresses, not because I wanted to become a writer.

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March 8, 2015 11:51 am  #688


Re: Fan Fiction Addicts General Round Table Discusion - ADULT CONTENT

I really really think the authors should have been ask if they were ok with their stories being used and were open to criticism.


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March 8, 2015 2:03 pm  #689


Re: Fan Fiction Addicts General Round Table Discusion - ADULT CONTENT

(putting this here since it is all about fic)

This was interesting and fun.

Test Your Sherlock Fan Fiction Knowledge
https://www.proprofs.com/quiz-school/story.php?title=test-your-sherlock-fan-fiction-iq

My Score:

[img]https://www.proprofs.com/quiz-school/certificate/certificate.php?id=69124941&qid=998332&uname=nya%20willis&resultText=Very%20good!%20You%27ve%20been%20doing%20your%20research![/img]


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I ship it harder than Mrs. Hudson.
    
 
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March 8, 2015 2:24 pm  #690


Re: Fan Fiction Addicts General Round Table Discusion - ADULT CONTENT

So hard - I made 26% only, and with most of them I just had to guess   

As they said: "Good try! The best part is, there's lots of excellent fics still out there for you to read!" 

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March 8, 2015 2:44 pm  #691


Re: Fan Fiction Addicts General Round Table Discusion - ADULT CONTENT

I gave that one a try, but didn't reply to all of the questions so didn't get a store. I had only heard of a few of those fics and authors, and knew only one answer without any doubt.


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March 8, 2015 5:14 pm  #692


Re: Fan Fiction Addicts General Round Table Discusion - ADULT CONTENT

tonnaree wrote:

I normally don't go anywhere near the words "Major Character Death" when reading fan fic but from the moment I joined the fandom I kept hearing about AOTW.  Finally couldn't resist it.

Interesting, I don't really mind Major Character Death at all, because if it's brilliantly written it hurts so good. It's really not that I want characters to die, but in my experience a lot of the fics which involve a MCD are tremendously good fics well before the death actually happens. And then, when it happens, it's all the more tragic.
I also like fics with a happy ending, but it usually touches me more profoundly when something tragic happens.
 


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March 9, 2015 5:31 am  #693


Re: Fan Fiction Addicts General Round Table Discusion - ADULT CONTENT

Most of the times, Mayor Character Deaths are too painful for me. I still suffer from the one that wasn't tagged propperly, BTW, but that is not the reason why I don't read it normally, I just love both of them too much to read about their deaths.

An exception (besides Alone On The Water) are retirement fics. I can stand it when they die after a long, fulfilled, happy life.


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March 9, 2015 7:55 am  #694


Re: Fan Fiction Addicts General Round Table Discusion - ADULT CONTENT

I agree, Schmiezi. An exception where I simply could not stop reading in spite of the MCD tag was prettyvk's "Two Years as Your Interpreter". It has been recommended in the other thread. 

And there are beautiful retirement fics which had me in tears but in a good way. But I usually avoid fics where I have to expect one of them to die prematurely and the other to spend his life alone. 


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March 9, 2015 9:25 am  #695


Re: Fan Fiction Addicts General Round Table Discusion - ADULT CONTENT

I have to admit that I haven't read any retirement fics yet, I'm pretty sure that's something I'd not be very interested in. But maybe I should give it a try. Any recommendations, on the quick?
And I totally understand what you're both saying about MCD, maybe I'm too much of a masochist, I don't know. I know it's not comparable to hurt/comfort because you tend to not get any comfort, but nevertheless I'm fascinated by it. 


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March 9, 2015 9:38 am  #696


Re: Fan Fiction Addicts General Round Table Discusion - ADULT CONTENT

Sorry, not on the quick. If I can remember the title of one, I will let you know. 


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March 9, 2015 10:14 am  #697


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That would be lovely. 


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March 9, 2015 10:20 am  #698


Re: Fan Fiction Addicts General Round Table Discusion - ADULT CONTENT

Found one:

"The Final Proof" by Silentauror
http://archiveofourown.org/works/2092047


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March 9, 2015 10:32 am  #699


Re: Fan Fiction Addicts General Round Table Discusion - ADULT CONTENT

I just wanted to reccommend the same one. <3


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March 9, 2015 10:48 am  #700


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Ah, Silentauror, this just has to be good, right?  


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