Or, to turn it right around: If they had wanted Mary to be seen together with John as often as possible, they would have filmed the scenes accordingly.

True. And apart from Janine, I have no doubt that in tv shows or films you will always find a way to show the things you want to show. Camera angles, the positioning of the actors... there are various ways to film a scene.

I wonder why?!

(Well, no, I don't. But those who believe that John and Mary are portraied as a nice couple should.)

tonnaree wrote:

Vhanja wrote:

It's very obvious that this scene is not about John and Mary at all. To be honest, there are very, very few scenes in the entire wedding with Mary and John together that has to do with them being married. 

 
And you have to wonder why the creators would make such a choice.      I have my own opinions on the matter.

Oh, do tell...!!
In my opinion they use this wedding to show us who's the real couple here.

 

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And were they sitting in a tree before or after the wedding?

Stop it, tonnaree!

I think it's very conscious.  These scenes (and the whole episode) are about John and Sherlock rather than John and Mary.   I'm not really sure why that's a puzzle .

No, seriously, it always surprises me that people expected this episode to be a romantic story about John and Mary getting married.   In the book, she's quite an important character as a client and yes, there's a kind of substory of John falling in love with her and planning to marry her, but even then it's thrown up against Sherlock's aloneness and, I suppose, his relationship with John. 

Liberty wrote:

I think it's very conscious.  These scenes (and the whole episode) are about John and Sherlock rather than John and Mary.   I'm not really sure why that's a puzzle .

No, seriously, it always surprises me that people expected this episode to be a romantic story about John and Mary getting married.   In the book, she's quite an important character as a client and yes, there's a kind of substory of John falling in love with her and planning to marry her, but even then it's thrown up against Sherlock's aloneness and, I suppose, his relationship with John. 

I do actually find it a bit surprising. Not critic-wothty or negative, just surprising. Because even sidekicks get their ten minutes of glory if they are married. Look at the esemble cast of Friends, for instance - Phoebe wasn't the "big couple" like Rachel/Ross and Chandler/Monica, yet her wedding was shown. I can't remember any other example at the top of my head, but I expected John to have his five minutes of glory when he got married. 

Not saying it's a bad thing or anything like that. Just not what I had expected.

Do you think it's central in the book, then?   I don't really see it that way.   And we don't even see the wedding at all - just the proposal.  I know Steven Moffat said he really wanted to see Sherlock's best man speech and that's what we see.   I think "Mary's episode" is HLV if anything, not TSOT - that's where she really becomes part of the story.    It just surprises me that people see TSOT as a love story between John and Mary at all, or think that it should be. 

Vhanja, I think John gets his five minutes of glory through Sherlock's speech. 

*trying not to think too hard about Sherlock giving John his moment of glory*