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Vhanja · January 10, 2015 2:19 pm

Oh, no, I don't think all John wants from Sherlock is an adventure. Not at all. I'm just saying that I think the main factor for his restlessness in the beginning of HLV is that he is bored. He gets bored like Sherlock does, only not as extreme and is able to cope with it in a more socially acceptable way (to a certain point). He is probably also worried about Sherlock, whom he hasn't seen or heard from in a month.

mrshouse · January 10, 2015 2:21 pm

But he's also not really content the moment they're together again. Just saying.

Vhanja · January 10, 2015 2:31 pm

No, that is also understandable seeing as Sherlock is found sky high in a drug den.

mrshouse · January 10, 2015 2:44 pm

We delve into waters rather for the OTHER thread, but I'll stick with your point for a moment: so John is not content because he's bored, from that being not content because Sherlock was on drugs again, from that being nit content because Sherlock played tricks on Janine, to not content because he was shot, to not content because Mary revealed herself, to not content Sherlock shot CAM and was about to be deported.
Hmmm..... I don't know......

Schmiezi · January 10, 2015 2:48 pm

To use Occam's razor, he could also be unhappy all way through HLV because he has realised that Mary is not the love of his life, but Sherlock.

Just saying.

mrshouse · January 10, 2015 2:51 pm

I tried to hint at that, because it's a lot of being not content for 90 minutes...
What does Occam's razor mean, I'm not familiar with that expression?

Vhanja · January 10, 2015 2:53 pm

Occam's razor means that the explanation with the least amount of probable variables is probably the one closest to the truth.

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Schmiezi · January 10, 2015 2:53 pm

It means that when you have a simple explanation and one that needs lots and lots of different assumptions, the simple one is usually the right one. It's called Ockhams Rasiermesser in German.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

mrshouse · January 10, 2015 2:54 pm

Thanks to the two of you.

besleybean · January 10, 2015 3:12 pm

It was stated by Sherlock in HOUND.

Vhanja · January 10, 2015 3:18 pm

besleybean wrote:
It was stated by Sherlock in HOUND.

No, he states that once you rule out the impossible, what's left, however improbable, must be true. It's not the same as Occam's Razor.

besleybean · January 10, 2015 3:52 pm

That is exactly Occam's razor.

Schmiezi · January 10, 2015 3:58 pm

Um, no. Occam's razor is about assumptions, not about the truth. Though using it has led to forming theories that were later verified. But it is also used in cosmology, for example, where you simply cannot verify certain things at all.

besleybean · January 10, 2015 4:10 pm

We will have to dsagree.

Schmiezi · January 10, 2015 4:18 pm

Oh please, it is a well-known philosopical principle that is used in all kinds of sciences. There is little left to disagree ...

Have you read the link I posted? It's only wikipedia, but it explains Occam's razor quite well.

besleybean · January 10, 2015 4:21 pm

I just think it's the same thing said a different way...hubby and I both think it's Occam's Razor, philosophy is where we know it from!
But it is possible we are borh wrong!

Schmiezi · January 10, 2015 4:24 pm

TBH, I would think so, yes.

The basic difference is that Occam's razor is only about assumptions It's not about something turning out to be the only true explanation, but about something turning out to be the most likely explanation.

besleybean · January 10, 2015 4:33 pm

Isn't that what Sherlock is saying?

Vhanja · January 10, 2015 4:35 pm

Sherlock says that when you remove what is phsyically impossible, whatever left MUST be true.

Occam says that out of several possibilites (none impossible), the one with the fewest plausible variables is most likely to be true.

The two statements deal with two very different concepts, one about improbility being true when the alternative is impossible, the other with which of many possible answers is more likely to be true and why.

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Lazarus · January 10, 2015 5:55 pm

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