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December 27, 2014 7:21 pm  #1201


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

Schmiezi wrote:

Do you really see happiness in him during HLV?

That is an interesting point. I don't believe him wanting danger is all that this is about. I honestly don't think him storming the crack den gave him the same satisfaction and joy as solving cases with Sherlock. (I was going to add a metaphor here, but decided against it when the metaphor seemed to be R-rated.  ).

I don't think any danger situation can make him as happy as he was with Sherlock. I think it was the full life with Sherlock that he missed, not only the dangerous action.


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December 27, 2014 7:21 pm  #1202


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

Have you looked at Mary's face in the very last scene? 
 


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December 27, 2014 7:25 pm  #1203


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

Schmiezi wrote:

Liberty wrote:

...then we continue to see her right through the wedding and beyond. 

I'd like to point out (again) that we don't see her right through the wedding. We only see her right through the planning before and right through the celebration afterwards.

Why ever that might be.

By "see" her, I meant that she's there as a character in scenes (in the book or on TV), rather than that we saw the whole wedding (which we don't see at all in the book).  We "see" her in the TV series at the very point where we stop "seeing" her in the book - around the time John is proposing.    In the book, she's a major character up until that point, but doesn't really feature again (there are no more "scenes" with her.    In "Sherlock" we almost get glimpses but don't truly see her until the point where John is about to propose (and even then, the camera follows her in from behind, if I remember).    I thought it seemed similar to the idea of her being a client first in the book, but a client second on TV.   It's not just different - it's more than that -  as if everything is mirror image - the other way around.  Or a photo in negative or something.  That would be a good basis for seeing her as an evil character, maybe.


 

 

December 27, 2014 7:26 pm  #1204


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

@ Susi Isn't she affected by Moriarty, tho?


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December 27, 2014 7:28 pm  #1205


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

She should be happy then that Sherlock is back, just like her hubby.


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December 27, 2014 7:30 pm  #1206


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

I think she is, but she's possibly more terrified about Moriarty.


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December 27, 2014 7:31 pm  #1207


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

Could you tell us exactly when she looks happy that Sherlock comes back? She smiled when he left.


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December 27, 2014 7:32 pm  #1208


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

She was trying to cheer him up.


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December 27, 2014 7:35 pm  #1209


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

Besleybean: She may well be terrified of Moriarty. I just wonder why she is clearly more terrified than John who knows what Moriarty is capable of. Unless there is a connection between her and Moriarty, of course. 

Harriet: True. She does not smile anymore after she has said goodbye to Sherlock.
 


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December 27, 2014 7:37 pm  #1210


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

No, because she's sad he's gone.


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December 27, 2014 7:39 pm  #1211


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

"Don't worry, John, I witnessed it almost killed you when you thought your best friend dead. But head up, sweetheart, things will be fine."


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December 27, 2014 7:41 pm  #1212


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

I think Mary stands in solidarity with John, on his loss of Sherlock.


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December 27, 2014 8:10 pm  #1213


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

Liberty wrote:

  It's not just different - it's more than that -  as if everything is mirror image - the other way around.  Or a photo in negative or something.  That would be a good basis for seeing her as an evil character, maybe.
 

I love that thought. There is a lot of foreshadowing used in all three series, and that would be one more example. (If you don't see her as an evil character already.)


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December 27, 2014 8:15 pm  #1214


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

I don't see her as evil.
She's done bad things in the past and is trying to start anew.


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December 27, 2014 8:18 pm  #1215


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

So she confesses what she did, expresses her regrets and promises to do better.


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December 27, 2014 8:20 pm  #1216


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

Harriet wrote:

So she confesses what she did, expresses her regrets and promises to do better.

And shoots Sherlock somewhere in between.

Oh, wait. Now that I think about it again, she didn't really confess voluntarily, did she? But at least she expressed her regrets and ...

Oh wait.


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December 27, 2014 8:30 pm  #1217


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

It doesn't matter what we think.
Sherlock and John have forgiven her.


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December 27, 2014 8:31 pm  #1218


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

besleybean wrote:

It doesn't matter what we think.
Sherlock and John have forgiven her.

Right. That's why John says "I forgive you."

Oh wait ...


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December 27, 2014 8:33 pm  #1219


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

Well the team describe what I see, the beautiful Christmas reconciliation scene...


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December 27, 2014 8:35 pm  #1220


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

Or so it seems. 

 


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"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

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