Liberty wrote:

And if it's all lies, then what's the point of them doing interviews, commentaries, etc? 

I don't think there is probably some changing of minds - there is quite a big gap between the separate series' after all, and it's quite possible that they come to the next one with a different vision.  And there's probably some dancing around the truth when they don't want to reveal something (the fall, for instance).   I'd guess that there is more of that than outright lying.

Benedict in particular, does come across as quite genuine. 

I would like to ask that too? Why can´t they say straight away what are they planning? Why all the secrecy and distortions? Why boasting "there´s a vital clue in TRF you all missed" when they have nothing to back such claim and do not produce such clue afterwards? Why do they contradict themselves from interview to interview? Planning Christmas special then suddenly changing it to just Special?

As to your previous statement that it would be relevant from the start if they wanted to make LTGB story - not neccessarily so. If I remember correctly, the story was planned to be about Sherlock Holmes originaly. You know - that completely asexual bachelor from the ACD canon. Sexual orientation of a hero should be totally irrelevant in the story of solving crimes anyway. 

But Moftiss were not content with that and put gay insinuations into every fifth minute of the standard episode. Thus gradually creating the problem that they would be forced to solve sooner or later. So it was not the theme from the very start (maybe) - but soon became one. And it was Moftiss doing.

(Althrough - that Sherlock´s pilot.... I saw it described as "gayer than a gay porn". I agree. They were not even subtle there.)
 

I can't speak for them, but I would think that's because it's about two men living together, loving each other, etc.  I don't think it's something they'd say if they were an actual gay couple.  (For instance, you might say something like that about Batman and Robin, but not about Brokeback Mountain.  I suppose you could get away with saying it about the recent Liberace biopic because he was so camp.  But not TIG.).

Nakahara, what I mean is that IF this was a big LGBT story that the BBC was commissioning for that reason, then yes, Sherlock's (the main character) sexual orientation would be important from the beginning.  It isn't something they'd only decide after the first series.  (And some people think he's gay in ACD canon anyway, so it wouldn't have been a wild leap to decide he was gay at the beginning). 

Last edited by Liberty (December 15, 2014 10:27 pm)

The BBC report has a lot to say about camp presentation as well 

I would not say it about Starsky and Hutch. For me this is a male friendship, men who are comfortable with touching each other in a non-sexual way and who are both shown as being sexually interested in women only. And I would not say it about The Imitation Game because as far as I know there are no scenes depicting men that are sexually attracted to each other. However, I would for example say it about a film like Maurice. And I am sure E M Forster would not object.
 

The link does the second document I told you about.

I posted the link to it here, just a few days ago.

Its pretty hard to believe that the fanboy writers didn't discuss Sherlock Holmes sexuality at all in the years they thought about and talked about writing Sherlock on those now infamous train journeys..or that TPLOSH never came up and the pre bbc johnlock talk...there does seem something subservient in the way they talk about Sherlocks sexuality...you have to wonder if it isn't serving as a means to a definitive endgame, otherwise much of the stuff on and off the show seems surplus.

Last edited by lil (December 15, 2014 11:59 pm)

I just thought of another little interesting thing.

A blog I read puts up interesting points stating that Sherlock might have schizoid personality disorder (if he has any disorders at all). One of the typical things for this disorder is low sex drive.

So it might have been rather easy for Sherlock to completely remove himself from relationships and sexual desires if he didn't have that strong a sex drive to begin with.

Last edited by Vhanja (December 16, 2014 6:15 am)

I don't think they are aiming for him being a high-functioning sosiopath (which is a term that doesn't exist), but I think Sherlock is aiming for that - and failing spectacularly.

(And he actually says it three times in the show, just to nitpick). 

Last edited by Vhanja (December 16, 2014 6:55 am)

HLV!

SusiGo wrote:

I would not say it about Starsky and Hutch. For me this is a male friendship, men who are comfortable with touching each other in a non-sexual way and who are both shown as being sexually interested in women only. And I would not say it about The Imitation Game because as far as I know there are no scenes depicting men that are sexually attracted to each other. However, I would for example say it about a film like Maurice. And I am sure E M Forster would not object.
 

Starsky and Hutch is just an example (I haven't seen the new one).   Maurice, to me, is obviously a gay story, so it would seem odd to use it there.   What the phrase implies is something like "as gay as you can get without being gay" - i.e. it's about love between two men.     Otherwise, it doesn't make sense - there are no main gay characters (that we know), no overt gay relationship, etc.  IF John and Sherlock really are a gay couple, they're closeted and it's covert.  How is that more gay than, say, Queer as Folk?  Or even Tipping the Velvet (to give an example of something else Benedict has been in!). 

Do people here honestly believe that Martin thinks the characters are gay and that the show is the most "gay" representation of gay lives on TV?  (That comes across as stronger than I mean it - I'm not trying to make fun or be sarcastic.  I'm just really surprised that people would think this.   He's said other things which would seem to go against it - and also, it's such an odd view).

Last edited by Liberty (December 16, 2014 7:20 am)