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December 15, 2014 9:10 pm  #2981


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Quite.
The nearest we really know is that he's celibate, possibly a virgin.
Though he's only ever been linked to females...
But I guess he ddin't have much choice in Janine's case.

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December 15, 2014 9:12 pm  #2982


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Yes, I'd call it being celibate, BB, but some people call it being asexual, including Benedict in the interview earlier ("he's asexual up to a point"). 

 

December 15, 2014 9:15 pm  #2983


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

If I remember from my reading of the asexual site..
It generally means being born with little or no sex drive.
Asexuals are capable of having sex, they just are not interested.
A celibate could be very interested,,,but chooses not to act upon it!


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December 15, 2014 9:18 pm  #2984


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

silverblaze wrote:

I thought the document could've referred to Jeckyll (or whatever that was called). As far as I remember that was a detective show with a gay protagonist. 

I can't find hints that there is a gay protagonist. Plus, Jekyll is too early for the report.
Then I'd rather go for "Call the Midwife" 
 


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December 15, 2014 9:23 pm  #2985


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Oh yes, I agree, BB.  But it's also a word that's used for self-identification, and I think there are some grey areas and cross-overs.  Somebody like Sherlock who sets themselves apart from sex, might call themselves asexual, even though I might think of them as celibate.  Or somebody might go through an asexual stage.  Or somebody might be asexual but practicing sex.  And then there are people who are demisexual ... it isn't simple! 

But I agree that celibate is a better word for Sherlock (somebody who is repressing sexual desires and choosing not to act on them). 

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December 15, 2014 9:24 pm  #2986


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I've seen neither so I don't really know. My mind just made that connection. So people believe it refers to Sherlock. I just didn't find the argument very convincing. It could refer to quite a lot of shows or prospective shows. When they commissioned Sherlock they didn't know that it would last longer than a season. Therefore if they wanted him to be gay, it'd be obvious in the very first episode. 

 

December 15, 2014 9:27 pm  #2987


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

The timeline fits and the content of the BBC strategy fits as well, esp. for not making them a couple from the very first episode.


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December 15, 2014 9:31 pm  #2988


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

But Sherlock's sexuality would have been decided from S1, and it looks like it wasn't.

 

December 15, 2014 9:34 pm  #2989


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Because it was irrelevant to the storyline at the time.
But do you know Harry Potter? He also didn´t end with Ginny at the beginning of the story, did he?


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December 15, 2014 9:36 pm  #2990


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I wouldn't bet 2 cents it wasn't. Too much contradictions, lies and trolling.


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December 15, 2014 9:41 pm  #2991


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

But it would be extremely relevant it they were trying to make a LGBT programme.  It would be integral. 

 

December 15, 2014 9:45 pm  #2992


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

And they presumably occasionally tell the truth.
Very few people lie constantly...
You have to have a  good memory to be a good liar and in the commentary, Steven shows he has a terrible memory!


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December 15, 2014 9:49 pm  #2993


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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December 15, 2014 9:53 pm  #2994


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I mean the team say things I don't like or I disagree with, or do things differently in the show to how I would... but I don't constantly accuse them of lying.


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December 15, 2014 9:57 pm  #2995


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

And if it's all lies, then what's the point of them doing interviews, commentaries, etc? 

I don't think there is probably some changing of minds - there is quite a big gap between the separate series' after all, and it's quite possible that they come to the next one with a different vision.  And there's probably some dancing around the truth when they don't want to reveal something (the fall, for instance).   I'd guess that there is more of that than outright lying.

Benedict in particular, does come across as quite genuine. 

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December 15, 2014 9:59 pm  #2996


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Alrhough in interview he has said that he's always contradicting himself.


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December 15, 2014 10:05 pm  #2997


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

There is one interesting thing about Benedict's interviews - did you ever notice how extensively he discusses most of his characters (Christopher Tietjens, Alan Turing, even Khan and Smaug and Agent Classified) while when talking about Sherlock he usually repeats himself? Tells things that have been disproved by the show itself (sociopath) or that are not in the show (Sherlock making out with Irene) or that are obvious (he has normal parents)? He has talked about many characters in depth, analysed them brilliantly but Sherlock is an exception. There is so much to be said about him but Benedict remains very silent. 


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"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
 

December 15, 2014 10:05 pm  #2998


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Yes, and there are some documented cases, BB!   But I don't think it's all lies at all.

Susi, I imagine he's limited in what he can say (i.e. he can't give too much away about plot, etc.), due to the nature of the thing (ongoing series with cliffhangers and surprises).  I've seem him obviously obfuscating in interviews.   I don't think he's lying when he says "sociopath", but using it in a colloquial way. 

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December 15, 2014 10:08 pm  #2999


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Sure it's not all lies - but hard to tell which. And yes, for sure he can't give away these things.


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December 15, 2014 10:11 pm  #3000


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I did not say he was lying at all but being deliberately repetitive or silent because he cannot give away things or facts about the show. 
 


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
 

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