That was soooo creepy! 

Honestly... I was shivering as if it was me he was touching. 'Get off him you... you!!!!' was ringing through my head

Honestly, Magnussen was a good villain in my book. 

But stop touching Sherlock now. Please!!

What did Magnussen says exactly that would indicate Sherlock being gay? I am not sure whether I understood him correctly. On the other hand, the implication would fit perfectly into the whole series 3. There were so many hints of Sherlock's devotion towards John in all three episodes.
I think Moftiss deliberately walking on a thin line between bromance and romance with the relatinship of Sherlock and John. I am really curious in which direction they will lead us in series 4  .

One might argue that Magnussen just likes to get very, very close to the people he's putting under pressure - we've seen that at the beginning of HLV with Lady Smallwood. He touches his 'victims' and just gets very physical, that seems to be what he likes (and what he's good at).
But then there are the things he's saying to Sherlock - Susi has just mentioned it. That's pretty striking. It's one thing to get close to Sherlock, to touch him and bend over him... but why should he talk about Sherlock's hands in such a manner?

Yes, physical closeness and crossing lines is his MO.
If you look at the scene with Lady Smallwood and the one in Baker Street, there is an interesting fact - he does not lie openly. The things he says are true. Lady Smallwood is not a young woman, her husband has done something reprehensible, Redbeard is a traumatic memory for Sherlock. 
If we assume that Magnussen in these situations tells the truth, he will do so at the hospital as well. 

Besley: I think is is quite clear that he is not talking about Irene. This is about Sherlock and him and power. No idea if he is really sexually attracted to him or if he just uses Sherlock's helplessness to threaten him and make his own position clear. For me the only hint to Irene is the single rose. 

Last edited by SusiGo (November 1, 2014 5:48 pm)

This is true, maybe my wording was not correct.
All the scenes show that Magnussen usually does not tell lies. And he would not be lying either if he wrote in his papers that Mary was a killer or that Sherlock came to him with Mycroft's laptop or that John came armed to Baker Street or whatever. So I assume when he insinuates that Sherlock is gay that would be true as well. 

Well, I can't seem to post on this thread at the moment!  Testing, testing, testing .... want to discuss exciting deleted scene ...

Last edited by Liberty (November 1, 2014 6:07 pm)

CAM uses pressure points, brings back up things his 'victims' do not want to remember or be reminded of... He teases them and delivers small precise but intense blows with one single word.

Maybe he is teasing Sherlock about his 'womanly' hands because he often has had his sexuality and (maybe even gender) questioned and it made more of an impact than people might have noticed...

 

Do we have any idea why CAM mentions that some of the flowers were sent by C Block, Pentonville Prison...? We heard about that prison before in TRF, but... what does it mean in this context, if anything at all?
I looked for the prison on the internet, but didn't come up with anything specific (I think)...
http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-368620-pentonville-prison-a-b-c-and-d-wings-and

I also have trouble understanding which kind of flowers he's talking about here, only that they're black...
edit: I found it, he's talking about a black wreath. Okay, not really kind.

By the way, here is the transcript of the scene:
http://arianedevere.livejournal.com/74172.html
 

Last edited by SolarSystem (November 1, 2014 6:42 pm)

SusiGo wrote:

He starts stroking Sherlock's hands. "A musician's hands. An artist's." Then he shoots Sherlock an intense look and asks: "A woman's?"
This together with "All the nice girls like a soldier" and "Sherlock is actually a girl's name", the dancing and the napkins and knowing all about colours and him not sleeping with Janine and coming back to life for John - this is quite a lot of evidence, I would say. 

Let's not forget, John being Sherlock's pressure point. Yeah the hints of Sherlock's devotion are quite evident in series 3. Sadly, it seems to be one-sided. I meant, sure, John cares deeply for Sherlock, but it seems that the emotions are much deeper on Sherlock's side.
 

Schmiezi wrote:

And what does Magnussen mean by saying "a woman's (hand)" if not that Sherlock is gay?

Right. CAM could say all sorts of things, he could get close to Sherlock and make physical contact without going into this specific direction. He could just 'do it' without making any comments, even if this is about demonstrating power. (It's pretty easy, by the way, to demonstrate power when the other party is lying in bed, unable to speak or move...)