Personally I could have done without the tension, but that's how it was both written and played.

I don't think so and I don't think we'll see it anyway...not unless somebody is dying  or something..

I could imagine some viewing the 2 shows would see it the other way around.
I still see bromance.
Incidentally, if Turk's female partner is shown...why isn't Mary?
Well, better than she is.

Last edited by besleybean (September 12, 2014 9:42 pm)

Actually, I'm not quite sure to which extent you can really compare a comedy series and a drama series. Both genres work on completely different levels, so I suppose the relationships works on different levels, too.
Nevertheless, I mostly see goofiness going on between Turk and JD. Sherlock and John though... there is something very different going on between those two.

Goofiness, Solar, right - essential part of bromance.

Last edited by Harriet (September 12, 2014 10:31 pm)

You see, I don't really see it there.  I just don't.  I can make myself see it, so I do think it's possible to see it and you're not all just making it up, but it doesn't come naturally.   I just don't think their relationship is sexual. 

Also, I don't think John would have gone ahead with the wedding if his love for Sherlock was that sort of love, but I suppose that's open to debate.

The word "bromance" doesn't seem to be popular. I wish there was a better one!  I think of them as having a romantic friendship, but that's not a very good definition either.   It's a special friendship, one that crosses the boundaries of an ordinary friendship (in things like how much they need each other, how much they protect each other, how central they are to each other's lives), but not the sexual boundaries.  

Again, there's Sherlock/LeStrade for a more ordinary friendship, and Sherlock/Irene for a UST relationship.  Sherlock/John is something different. 

On the other hand, sometimes I feel that it becomes too much of a case of John/Sherlock versus John/Mary.  Because clearly John/Sherlock is the central pairing of the show (whether you think it's sexual or not), and Mary is part of the story.   Even in the book, she's part of a  story - she's a client, who comes out with them. - and then (I believe, not having read all the stories), she's barely mentioned, and presumably dies, when she's no longer part of the story.   So I don't think you can compare those relationships.  It doesn't matter how much John might love Mary, she's not going to be central (I hope!), and it's not going to be a John/Mary love story (I hope!).

But I suppose Mary does confirm John's heterosexuality, if any confirmation was needed.  (I think it's pretty much established from the beginning). 

But John just misses his best friend, Susi, and the avdenture and the danger his best friend always provides.

I'm not going into this debate again. I already said several times what I see when I see Sherlock and John and what their relationship means to me. But it certainly doesn't mean to me that they're running around holding hands when we don't seem, or that they're having hot sex in the shower when we don't see them.
 

Well, what is your definition of bromance then, besley? And are Turk and JD bros or not?

Last edited by Harriet (September 13, 2014 9:43 am)

I don't really know what bromance is, I've never heard that term before I joined this fandom.

Anyway, let's face the fact that it's not always possible to find a clear definition for every relationship. And let's also face that relationships in "Sherlock" are usually a bit... unusual and dysfunctional. Lestrade and his wife, Mrs. Hudson and her husband, Molly and Tom (and let's not forget her crush on Sherlock), John and his women (and I'm including Mary here!), and also Sherlock's relationship to Mycroft and their relationship to their parents. It's all a bit not soo good, if you ask me.
The relationship between Sherlock and John is the one that stands out, and yes, that's because the show is about the two of them. But I see more than just a relationship that is central to the show. It's not always healthy, but then again look at the hurt and pain and loss they each feel when the other one is not around. For me that's pure love.