Mod's notice: This is getting very personal, Swanpride. I am posting my opinion in here, that is what this forum is for. And, yes, I have complained months ago about the heated atmosphere, and, yes, it has died down. And we are constantly getting new members who have fun around here and look forward to the next season. Please stop these personal attacks. You do not seem to realise that the only one getting aggressive in here is you. 

Thank you, Raven. 

Last edited by SusiGo (August 20, 2014 10:02 pm)

If there is such an 'underlying aggressivity' here, I can't for the life of me understand what brings you back here, Swanpride. Furthermore, following your own arguments it shouldn't come as a surprise to you that we all are constantly saying "Wääääähhhhh..." when it comes to Mary, after all we are the fraction that took over the forum.

Liberty wrote:

@Raven I don't want Mary to be working for Moriarty because I preferred CAM as a villain.  I could even see Mary as a villain in her own right.  But a connection does make sense.  It's strange that Moriarty appears at the end of the episode "about" Mary, and that of the people who saw Sherlock off on the plane, Mary is the least trustworthy.  

Liberty;  what do you think about the idea that Mary actually took over Moriarty's organization? That would make her rather formidable indeed, and a multi-faceted villainess. 
 

tonnaree wrote:

*standing by with shock blankets and jameson's in case anyone has needs*

 

Oh, I'll take one. And a Valium.

Too much negativity and very little constructive discussion. I was starting to enjoy the insightful debates within a civil atmosphere. How can there be a debate if everybody agrees with everybody? So let’s accept that it’s normal to have different opinions and then express one’s own. As for me I was always more interested in figuring out the true intent of the writers than supporting or fangirling on a character/ scenario/ ship. So any interpretation/ theory/ opinion from any angle are most welcome. Because I feel yet again we won’t be able to untangle all the mysteries in the hiatus.  

Last edited by tykobrian (August 21, 2014 6:35 am)

Oh Heaven!!! Just my two cents:

- Do some people still realise that all this is about a fictional TV show???
- It's not what you say, but how you say it. Nobody is "right" because he shouts the loudest.

EDIT:
Just one more thing, SP. Do you know the difference between "I don't like" and "I hate"??? Speaking for me, I am not able to "hate" something that doesn't "exist".
 

Last edited by gently69 (August 21, 2014 7:36 am)

Fine - double substance abuse!   

Whoa, what happened here during the last 24 hours?! I've read all new posts twice now and still fail to see the problem. Where do all these hard feelings come from?!

 

Swanpride wrote:

I'm tired of this...I am tired of everything Mary does getting interpreted in the most negative light possible, especially while other characters get a pass.

Swanpride wrote:

I am simply tired of arguing, because no matter what, it will always be answered with
1. wääääääääh....she shoot Sherlock!!!!!
2. wääääääääh....she upsets out bromance!!!!!
or
3. wääääääääh....how can you interpret anything she does in a positive light!!!!

I am tired of this...even the threat I started for Mary lovers is not free from "I could say something against it, but I won't do it out of respect" posts (which are in itself already a negative commentary). There is a reason why I was barely here the last months. No matter what the topic is, it is all about pointing out how awful Mary is. I am not even sure if it is a majority opinion, because it's usually the same people who keep doing it. It is impossible to discuss anything, because everything is immediatly bogged down by Mary hatred.
So no, I won't make another long post trying to argue my point...I have done it often enough, and I got shut down often enough. You make one positive post concerning her, and immediatly two or three people make a choin posts until your words are buried. I won't bother anymore.

 It looks to me like you feel very protective of Mary, Swanpride. I understand that. I feel the same way when John is discussed, for example in that thread where someone said he would be likely to abuse his child.
But I fail to see any Mary bashing here like you can find it on other platforms like twitter. Yes, there happen to be many forum members who would rather not join the Mary fan club. But all I see are matter-of-factly discussions on the topic. 
(Besides, there might be many forum members who would love to go Whääähhh” about Mary but never will be able to because their keyboard lacks the letter ä) 

Swanpride wrote:

Did you ever consider that I am the only one who bothers to speak up?

Oh please. We are talking about discussing a fictional character on a fan forum. Not the human rights in the middle of a dictatorship. No one has to “speak up” to say whether they like Mary or not. 

RavenMorganLeigh wrote:

Actually, Swanpride-- I left, for months. And it was because anytime the subject of Mary came up, and anyone, including myself, dared to say anything that was not in praise of her character , they were subjected to being called a hater, and that they were making it hard for others to be here. And most of the time the person doing the accusing was you, Swanpride. And I could tell that you're really sensitive, and I didn't want to hurt your feelings. So, I left. And I missed everyone. 

So now I'm back, and the same thing is happening again. 
 

 But please don't leave again, Raven. Your comments are usually well thought through and I love how calm you responded here in this thread several times where others would have become snarky.

 

Swanpride wrote:

@SusiGo Do you really think anybody would pm you, considering that you are one of the most vocal Anti-Mary posters?

This where I personally feel like you are getting too far, Swanpride. Show me one example where Susi unfairly commented on someone's post or said something about Mary without explaining why she feels that way. As a mod she works hard (sorry to say that but harder than the other mods or the boss) to keep the forum a positive, insult-free place. As a member she has ever right to express like or dislike for any character. She always states is she is saying something as a mod or not. What more can we ask for? 

Now you can make it easy for you to say that I am just another Mary hater, but that is not true. I love having her on the show, and I love writing about her in fan fics BECAUSE she is a wedge between Sherlock and John, BECAUSE she is not a “good” person. So, what does that make me?

tykobrian wrote:

Too much negativity and very little constructive discussion. I was starting to enjoy the insightful debates within a civil atmosphere. How can there be a debate if everybody agrees with everybody? So let’s accept that it’s normal to have different opinions and then express one’s own. As for me I was always more interested in figuring out the true intent of the writers than supporting or fangirling on a character/ scenario/ ship. So any interpretation/ theory/ opinion from any angle are most welcome. Because I feel yet again we won’t be able to untangle all the mysteries in the hiatus.  

THIS. More of this, please. 

Yes, Schmiezi, Straight to the point.