Well my small input in this debate is that I think the writers introduced the baby, something that was never alluded in the canon stories, because after Mary tries to kill sherlock and turns out to be a contract killer they needed a reason for John to stay with her. In a sence John has decided to continue his relationship with Mary for the sake of the baby instead of love.

Last edited by tykobrian (August 18, 2014 2:36 am)

Schmiezi wrote:

tykobrian wrote:

Well my small input in this debate is that I think the writers introduced the baby, something that was never alluded in the canon stories, because after Mary tries to kill sherlock and turns out to be a contract killer they needed a reason for John to stay with her. In a sence John has decided to continue his relationship with Mary for the sake of the baby instead of love.

That would surely explain his less than enthusiastic face at the christmas scene at the Holmes' home with Mary.

Yes and come to think of it John's "The problems of your past are your business. The problems of your future are my privilege" had kind of an ominous feel to it. It's almost like the writers are foreshadowing something. And not to mention Mary never actually apologized for her actions on screen.

Swanpride wrote:

Baby or not, if John wouldn't love Mary, he would not throw the memory stick away...this is in my eyes simply the modern equivalent to the original story, in which Mary is unreachable for John (socially) until the Agra treasure is destroyed. I think that the writers made pretty clear that the problems of Mary's past are now done (otherwise Sherlock's action would be for nothing, too), and whatever will happen to Mary in the future will happen because of her current life, not because of her past.

Hmm well I had a different theory to explain why John didn’t read the memory stick. It’s actually even said so by Mary: because after he reads her files he won’t love her anymore. So John already furious and devastated can’t bear to read the files just in case there’s something in there that is so unforgivable that he won’t be able to return to Mary even thinking of the baby.
 
Anyways, the Mary character is totally suspicious to me. No matter what Sherlock appears to believe about her I can never accept or forgive her for the things she has done to maintain her relationship with John. And quite frankly I think it is a huge hint from the showrunners that Mary never showed any remorse for her actions. Can you ever remember her saying how sorry she is for all the pain she caused them? And personally I think Sherlock was bending backwards to prove Mary has actually a fundamentally good person so he can stay at her good side and spy on her and try to find out what’s going on behind her back. But he was compelled to kill CAM and all his plans backfired as now he’d be sent away to be incarcerated. So in the end maybe he hopes against hope that although Mary had a dark past she really is in love with John and has no ulterior motive. And perhaps he confided everything to Mycroft and asked him to handle the situation at his absence.
 
There is a theory circulating that Mary is the stand-in for Moriarty’s sniper Moran and he has stationed her with John to “burn the heart out of him” by creating a wedge between them. To tell the truth, Mary’s presence did ultimately create a wedge between the leads. And most importantly I found it highly suspicious that the writers completely deviated from the canon and made Mary a hitman. I mean what was the point of all this? All of this is highly suspicious. Anyways, I’m expecting that the Mary conflict is far from resolved or over.

There is another theory comparing Mary, the "hollow woman" about whom we know next to nothing, to the empty treasure box. 

Come to think of it, the whole set-up is odd - that all the information is contained on that memory stick.  I mean, Mary could just tell John her name, or anything else.  But John is telling her he doesn't want to know.  I suppose that he's right in a way - she has had 5 years to become who she is now.  What does it matter what she was? 

The point about the empty box in the book was that Watson had fallen for Mary, but didn't feel he could propose if she was going to be rich (as it would seem as if he'd fallen for her money!).  When the box is empty, he's delighted.  I'm trying to think how that fits with HLV, but Mrshouse, you've got me thinking - do you mean that maybe the memory stick was empty? 

The TV series has done it all the other way round.  The book starts with meeting Mary and ends with the proposal, then nothing about the wedding and after.  Whereas the TV series starts with the proposal and carries on from there. 

I think this is still alright.
In the case of a (improbable but not completely impossible) fake pregnancy which has been discussed in another thread the image would be also applicable..

SusiGo wrote:

In the case of a (improbable but not completely impossible) fake pregnancy which has been discussed in another thread the image would be also applicable..

 
In the Christmas scene, she looks pretty pregnant, and I'm  not sure what she would gain by stuffing a pillow inside her shirt beyond John's further sense of betrayal.

Last edited by Sherlockismyfix (August 19, 2014 11:55 am)

Yes, many of us have mentioned it could be David's baby.

Was there a point in having Sherlock yell at crap telly about the man not being the father due to the turn up  of his jeans and having Mary sitting there with a turn up in her jeans? How about the camera resting on David as Sherlock says 'all that is false and specious in the world' red herrings or clues?

Hmmmmmmm....curiouser and curiouser!