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August 7, 2014 10:08 am  #101


Re: Baby Watson (spoilers!)

Okay. All shower fans please go to the OTHER thread. And we will put this topic back on track. 


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August 7, 2014 10:12 am  #102


Re: Baby Watson (spoilers!)

Goodness, comes to something when the moderator apologises to me..
Tee Hee.
Honestly I was just being funny...no worries.
This poor baby.
Does it exist?
Will it survive?
Will it BE a problem?!


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August 7, 2014 10:15 am  #103


Re: Baby Watson (spoilers!)

Yes, I consider it a serious problem, changing the character of the show way too much. This is a grownup-show, I love babies and children in their respective movie or TV appearance BUT NOT HERE!


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August 7, 2014 10:15 am  #104


Re: Baby Watson (spoilers!)

Again, I'd like to come up with the question of WHY it exists.

And I don't mean "Because of sex". I mean, why did the writers decide to include it first place? Surely not to lead to being no problem, because they could have "no problem" without it. Ideas?

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August 7, 2014 10:15 am  #105


Re: Baby Watson (spoilers!)

You can mark this day in your calendar, bb. 
I was being funny, too. It is strange how The Topic always comes up. 

It might be a problem to integrate it into the show. And it would be the biggest deviation from Canon so far. 

Schmiezi - I can only imagine that they tried to make it as difficult as possible for the boys to reunify in Baker Street. Dramatic licence and all that. Or to make Mary more ambivalent, harder to dislike/kill/dispose of? I am not really happy with that decision but that goes for many decisions about Mary's character. I have to accept them and hope for better times. 

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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
 

August 7, 2014 10:21 am  #106


Re: Baby Watson (spoilers!)

Schmiezi wrote:

Again, I'd like to come up with the question of WHY it exists.

And I don't mean "Because of sex". I mean, why did the writers decide to include it first place? Surely not to lead to being no problem, because they could have "no problem" without it. Ideas?

 
Schmiezi, I have no idea whatsoever. Alas, I could not rule out it having been the romantic feelings carrying Steven away while writing TSoT?


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"Love conquers all" Benedict Cumberbatch on Sherlock's and John's relationship
"This is a show about a detective, his best friend, his wife, their baby and their dog" - Nobody. Ever.

 

August 7, 2014 10:25 am  #107


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Sorry to bring ths up again but to me it seemd that he channeled his romantic feelings into something other than John and Mary having a baby. For me the dancefloor scene is the only moment between John and Mary I would call even remotely romantic. 
 


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"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
 

August 7, 2014 10:28 am  #108


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Well,true. That was THE nice moment between them. But somehow we're to believe that this is the goal to achieve for: heteromarriage, baby...


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"This is a show about a detective, his best friend, his wife, their baby and their dog" - Nobody. Ever.

 

August 7, 2014 10:31 am  #109


Re: Baby Watson (spoilers!)

Not sure about that. Because in HLV we see that neither of them is really happy, and this even before the shooting and all that. And it seems that for some months John preferred not to do conversation with his pregnant wife. 


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"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
 

August 7, 2014 10:33 am  #110


Re: Baby Watson (spoilers!)

Schmiezi wrote:

Again, I'd like to come up with the question of WHY it exists.

And I don't mean "Because of sex". I mean, why did the writers decide to include it first place? Surely not to lead to being no problem, because they could have "no problem" without it. Ideas?

This.

The writters must have a plan, because they knew that a baby would change dramatically the balance in 221b. My question is also Why and how they will deal with this.... 

They could have made Mary to misscariage and so to becaome loads of sympathy and support. But they go with the baby, so this is for me the only thing i cannot speculate how it would possibly go.

 

August 7, 2014 10:35 am  #111


Re: Baby Watson (spoilers!)

Yes, but in the end, this scenario wins. Remember the Christmas scene which is considered as ultimately romantic, and John and Mary at the tarmac embracing and holding hands in the end. And it's stressed further by Mary's clothes and makeup, this bright red which does not really go along with the rest, speaking in pictures.


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Eventually everyone will support Johnlock.


"If you're not reading the subtext then hell mend you"  -  Steven Moffat
"Love conquers all" Benedict Cumberbatch on Sherlock's and John's relationship
"This is a show about a detective, his best friend, his wife, their baby and their dog" - Nobody. Ever.

 

August 7, 2014 10:40 am  #112


Re: Baby Watson (spoilers!)

It wins only for the moment, I think. And as some people have noticed, John is not wearing his wedding ring in the tarmac scene. But as the Boss remarked some time ago - this series is different because we will be able to make up our minds about many things, most of all Mary, only after knowing what will happen in series 4. 


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
 

August 7, 2014 10:46 am  #113


Re: Baby Watson (spoilers!)

Which is just how they want us...


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August 7, 2014 12:15 pm  #114


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But, will the baby take a shower?!?!


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August 7, 2014 2:25 pm  #115


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Oh, tonnaree, sweet innocent you...


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Eventually everyone will support Johnlock.


"If you're not reading the subtext then hell mend you"  -  Steven Moffat
"Love conquers all" Benedict Cumberbatch on Sherlock's and John's relationship
"This is a show about a detective, his best friend, his wife, their baby and their dog" - Nobody. Ever.

 

August 7, 2014 2:28 pm  #116


Re: Baby Watson (spoilers!)

Innocent? Tonnaree? *laughing out loud*


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
 

August 7, 2014 3:17 pm  #117


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Is my halo slipping?

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August 7, 2014 4:00 pm  #118


Re: Baby Watson (spoilers!)

Of course not. 


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
 

August 7, 2014 6:17 pm  #119


Re: Baby Watson (spoilers!)

A lovely light wrote:

Schmiezi wrote:

Again, I'd like to come up with the question of WHY it exists.

And I don't mean "Because of sex". I mean, why did the writers decide to include it first place? Surely not to lead to being no problem, because they could have "no problem" without it. Ideas?

This.

The writters must have a plan, because they knew that a baby would change dramatically the balance in 221b. My question is also Why and how they will deal with this.... 

They could have made Mary to misscariage and so to becaome loads of sympathy and support. But they go with the baby, so this is for me the only thing i cannot speculate how it would possibly go.

Yeah, this is the question I'm interested in too. I was talking about this at a Sherlockian meet up the other day, and we were all wondering why they chose to do it....because obviously it would have been a lot easier to kill her off if she hadn't had a baby. We were hoping they do actually have some kind of plan and haven't just written themselves into a corner because they wanted the "sign of three" gag.
 


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August 7, 2014 6:18 pm  #120


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We also said, "imagine if John and Mary's baby was actually Mrs Hudson".


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