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August 3, 2014 6:09 pm  #1681


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

tonnaree wrote:

I have a serious question for the non-johnlokcers.  
Would any one here on the boards stop watching the show if Johnlock happened?

Maybe some people would stop watching it. But I won't. I won't stop watching it, or maby I will if it become really boring, like the show continue for so long that it become always the same thing.

Like I'm watching Castle, and I think the story becomes less and less interesting the episodes are less exciting. Sometimes I wonder why I'm still watching it (the final of the season was interesting...).

Or I was watching CSI (Las Vegas), When Gil Grissom left, it wasn't the same anymore. And when Catherine Willows left I stopped watching it, I just could'nt stand the new characters.

Sherlock and John being a couple is not a problem for me. I just believe the showrunners/creators when they say it's a friendship (and that's what I see/feel). I honnestly think that the show will end in a way that everyone will see what they want to see, that it will be open for interpretation.

 

August 3, 2014 6:20 pm  #1682


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I agree. Getting boring would be a great obstacle. Or - which I experienced for the first time in S 3 and I don't like it- if I feel forced to like a newly introduced character and I just don't...
In my deepest soul I also believe it will be an ending of the show left ambiguous. Though I always have said this would be a missed opportunity after having cast a damn sexy couple!


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Eventually everyone will support Johnlock.


"If you're not reading the subtext then hell mend you"  -  Steven Moffat
"Love conquers all" Benedict Cumberbatch on Sherlock's and John's relationship
"This is a show about a detective, his best friend, his wife, their baby and their dog" - Nobody. Ever.

 

August 3, 2014 6:22 pm  #1683


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

They cast two dashing lead actors...
The 'couple' part is a moot point!


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August 3, 2014 6:31 pm  #1684


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Kenogami wrote:

Sherlock and John being a couple is not a problem for me. I just believe the showrunners/creators when they say it's a friendship (and that's what I see/feel). I honnestly think that the show will end in a way that everyone will see what they want to see, that it will be open for interpretation.

I think you are probably right.  The more I see and think about this show, the more I feel is open to interpretation, as if they've deliberately made it so that people can see what they want to see.  It's frustrating - sometimes I would just like to be told what I'm supposed to see!   But I also do like the ambiguity sometimes, and that everything isn't explicit and there's room to think about it and examine your own feelings about it. 

The series also seems to be full of times when people are struggling to sort out the truth (and lots of times when, say, Sherlock knows but John doesn't, Mycroft knows but John doesn't).   I think the audience are being put in the same position ... like John.  I get the impression that even the actors don't know everything.  Maybe even the writers don't always, in that they can write something ambiguous without necessarily having to decide which version is "true".   We're left looking for clues and evidence and proof  ... like Sherlock. 

 

August 3, 2014 6:38 pm  #1685


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I love when a show has ambiguity, i hate when a show ends with ambiguity. As if the writers coudn't make their minds or have not the courage to deal with it. 

If the writers want a relationship, i would be totally fine with it, but i want to see it on the screen happening and not on the fics or on the interviews. If they don't, they should make it clear till the end. 

 

 

August 3, 2014 6:38 pm  #1686


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Schmiezi wrote:

I would watch it till the very end of course. Should no Johnlock happen, never ever at all, I hope that the series' final is written in a way that still allows Johnlock to happen in fanfic.

Well, thinking about it, the only way to prevent that would be to kill off Sherlock and / or John.

You know we'd still find a way.   


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August 3, 2014 6:57 pm  #1687


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

besleybean wrote:

They cast two dashing lead actors...
The 'couple' part is a moot point!

 
But not that they are damn sexy together


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Eventually everyone will support Johnlock.


"If you're not reading the subtext then hell mend you"  -  Steven Moffat
"Love conquers all" Benedict Cumberbatch on Sherlock's and John's relationship
"This is a show about a detective, his best friend, his wife, their baby and their dog" - Nobody. Ever.

 

August 3, 2014 6:59 pm  #1688


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Indeed. And that it is a wonderful love story with all the classic ingredients. 


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"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
 

August 3, 2014 7:07 pm  #1689


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I'm picturing cake mix!


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August 3, 2014 7:13 pm  #1690


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Why not? Makes a delicious cake. 


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
 

August 3, 2014 7:34 pm  #1691


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I like cake.   


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Proud President and Founder of the OSAJ.  
Honorary German  
"Anyone who takes himself too seriously always runs the risk of looking ridiculous; anyone who can consistently laugh at himself does not".
 -Vaclav Havel 
"Life is full of wonder, Love is never wrong."   Melissa Ethridge

I ship it harder than Mrs. Hudson.
    
 
 

August 3, 2014 7:35 pm  #1692


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

So do I. Especially if it is complicated and takes a lot of patience and effort and at the end you get your reward. 


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
 

August 3, 2014 7:38 pm  #1693


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Thing is, truth just is, with absolutely no effort at all.
Truth is what truth does,.,,or whatever Forrest would say!


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August 3, 2014 7:46 pm  #1694


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

No, bb. This leaves  out human heart and soul and the dimensions it brings to everyday life and interaction between human beings. As well as performing arts and the feelings they can transport.

Last edited by mrshouse (August 3, 2014 7:47 pm)


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Eventually everyone will support Johnlock.


"If you're not reading the subtext then hell mend you"  -  Steven Moffat
"Love conquers all" Benedict Cumberbatch on Sherlock's and John's relationship
"This is a show about a detective, his best friend, his wife, their baby and their dog" - Nobody. Ever.

 

August 3, 2014 7:48 pm  #1695


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

It's that as well.

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August 3, 2014 7:49 pm  #1696


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

SusiGo wrote:

So do I. Especially if it is complicated and takes a lot of patience and effort and at the end you get your reward. 

Sounds... delicious.
And I totally agree with the "damn sexy couple". Oh god yes, they are perfect together. 
 


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August 3, 2014 7:55 pm  #1697


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

They certainly are.
As Steven said when they 1st stood side by side in costume:
And there's our detctive show.


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August 3, 2014 8:28 pm  #1698


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I don't see them as perfect together.  Maybe it's because I haven't watched to the end yet?  I don't mean they're impossible ... but not perfect. 

 

August 3, 2014 8:35 pm  #1699


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Such things certainly are in the eye of the beholder.


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"Am I the current King of England?

"I see no shame in having an unhealthy obsession with something." - David Tennant
"We did observe." - David Tennant in "Richard II"

 
 

August 3, 2014 8:39 pm  #1700


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Oh, Solar, time to move the discussion to THE OTHER THREAD.


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Eventually everyone will support Johnlock.


"If you're not reading the subtext then hell mend you"  -  Steven Moffat
"Love conquers all" Benedict Cumberbatch on Sherlock's and John's relationship
"This is a show about a detective, his best friend, his wife, their baby and their dog" - Nobody. Ever.

 

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