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SusiGo · June 20, 2014 9:42 pm

That is the beauty of "Sherlock". No black-and-white characters. Most of them are flawed in one way or the other (as most humans are).

tonnaree · June 21, 2014 1:05 am

I watch the John in HLV's tarmac scene and he is devestated. How can people watch the same thing and think him cold and unfeeling?

SolarSystem · June 21, 2014 8:28 am

tonnaree, I guess we all come from different kinds of places, so it's only natural to perceive such things in different kinds of ways. But I don't get it, either. When I saw it for the first time, I didn't really know what to make of it, but now... like John said it himself in TEH, these things are difficult for him. And you can see that very clearly in that scene.

SusiGo · June 21, 2014 9:56 am

Not sure if it belongs here. I always wondered a bit about the knocker thing in HLV. Now look at this:

http://deducingbbcsherlock.tumblr.com/post/89433142019/what-kills-me-isnt-just-that-sherlock-is-used-to

SolarSystem · June 21, 2014 9:59 am

I didn't even realize up until now that John is the one who's doing this...

SusiGo · June 21, 2014 10:01 am

Neither did I. It is a bit sad, isn't it?

SolarSystem · June 21, 2014 10:04 am

Hm, I'm actually a bit confused here, because I don't think we've seen this before in S1 or S2, right? So, did John always do this? If so, why? I'm a bit at a loss.

SusiGo · June 21, 2014 10:09 am

I think this is the scene in HLV when they leave the flat after Magnussen's visit. For me it is a sort of belated explanation for the scene before when Sherlock straightens the knocker. When John leaves it crooked now we can assume that it has always been a habit.

Mattlocked · June 21, 2014 10:14 am

This is interesting.
I always took that scene in HLV as a nice joke:

S:"He straightens the knocker. He always corrects it. He doesn't even know he's doing it."

J:"Why did you do that?"
S."Do what?"
J:......"Nothing."

So Sherlock is the one who crooks the knocker - unconsciously.

But now when I read this link......................
I also never noticed John did it.

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SolarSystem · June 21, 2014 10:16 am

But in that scene Sherlock is the one who crooks it again because Mycroft set it straight...? So Sherlock is used to it being crooked, because John leaves it that way?

Mattlocked · June 21, 2014 10:36 am

Yes, sorry, I mixed it (again). I just corrected my comment. Sherlock crooks the knocker.
But the question from John "Why did you do that?" And the answer: "What?" "Nothing." was what I understood as a joke all the time.
As if Sherlock doesn't know that he does it, either.

But now.....
John asks Sherlock: "Why did you do that?" (Crooking the knocker.)
Because John did it all the time. Without knowing that he did it. And Sherlock wants it to stay that way. That's how I understand that link from Susi. And yes, it is a bit sad.
(Does anybody still understand me? )

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SusiGo · June 21, 2014 10:40 am

Yes, I do. Sherlock does not like the knocker straightened (reason 1: He does not like his brother to meddle. Reason 2: He does not like to be reminded that John is not there anymore).

And Sherlock does not even realise he straightens it because it has become so familiar to him.

Mattlocked · June 21, 2014 10:44 am

SusiGo wrote:
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And Sherlock does not even realise he straightens it because it has become so familiar to him.

He crooks it.

Right. Still I didn't have a clue that this has to do with John.
Maybe have a look at the other episodes, if he does it?
(Although in HLV John crooks it to the other side, but I guess that's just peanuts. )

SusiGo · June 21, 2014 11:04 am

Sorry, now I am getting confused, too.

Of course he crooks it because John leaves it crooked.

Crooking is crooking, no matter what direction.

tonnaree · June 21, 2014 11:05 am

Oh Sherlock, my sweet sad baby.

SusiGo · June 21, 2014 11:07 am

Mattlocked · June 21, 2014 11:08 am

Oh my, how I love it! Again another tiny little "meaningless" scene..... and suddenly you recognise.......
What a show!

SolarSystem · June 21, 2014 11:13 am

At one point of your discussion I was like "What the hell are you talking about?!", but finally I understand. The knocker needs to be crooked because John always crooks it, and when John isn't there and someone straightens it, Sherlock has to crook it again so he can imagine that John is still there. Right? Okay. I'm deaded now. This is so...

SusiGo · June 21, 2014 11:14 am

Yes. Hankie anyone?

Mattlocked · June 21, 2014 11:19 am

Yes, please. Ten.