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tonnaree · June 8, 2014 5:18 pm

SusiGo wrote:
Found something interesting:

http://anigrrrl2.tumblr.com/post/88183780106/i-had-seen-little-of-holmes-lately-my-marriage

So, Mofftiss has taken the canon separation of Holmes and Watson and turned it on it’s head. Instead of domestic bliss, John is bored and stroppy. Instead of a sweet wife who consumes all his attention, Mary is an assassin. Instead of Watson barely noticing Holmes’ absence in his life, John is dreaming of him, thinking about him constantly, talking to Mary about him until she’s openly annoyed about it.

This is the choice of the writers. This is what they wanted us to see. Everything they do has a purpose.

SusiGo · June 8, 2014 5:22 pm

Yes. If they change things like Mary's character (and maybe also Moriarty's fate) so fundamentally, they can change other things as well.

ancientsgate · June 8, 2014 7:11 pm

tonnaree wrote:
So, Mofftiss has taken the canon separation of Holmes and Watson and turned it on it’s head. Instead of domestic bliss, John is bored and stroppy. Instead of a sweet wife who consumes all his attention, Mary is an assassin. Instead of Watson barely noticing Holmes’ absence in his life, John is dreaming of him, thinking about him constantly, talking to Mary about him until she’s openly annoyed about it.
This is the choice of the writers. This is what they wanted us to see. Everything they do has a purpose.

I've been saying this for months now. Years, maybe. We viewer-fans are like marionettes on strings, being manipulated by very clever writers, and not only that, those writers know exactly what they're doing. The more we howl and discuss and argue and plead (with each other and with them) about what we see, the happier they are, and the more they congratulate themselves on accomplishing what they set out to accomplish.

SolarSystem · June 8, 2014 7:45 pm

Basically this all means: Anything is possible.

SusiGo · June 8, 2014 9:27 pm

Indeed. If Mary Morstan can be a killer, Sherlock and John can be a couple.

tonnaree · June 8, 2014 9:29 pm

So say we all!!!!!

SolarSystem · June 8, 2014 9:35 pm

Oh god yes!

ancientsgate · June 9, 2014 1:56 am

SusiGo wrote:
Indeed. If Mary Morstan can be a killer, Sherlock and John can be a couple.

Damn right. Preach it. I'll believe it when I see it, but go ahead and preach it anyway!

Pav · June 9, 2014 2:23 pm

Another piece of evidence
http://majowka.soup.io/post/434872215/Image

tonnaree · June 9, 2014 2:45 pm

Pav wrote:
Another piece of evidence
http://majowka.soup.io/post/434872215/Image

Ok, the thought of John making that little "Aaaah" noise makes me *squee* real hard.

SusiGo · June 10, 2014 7:23 am

This one is very good. Or should it go into the Official Debate?

http://warmth-and-constancy.tumblr.com/post/88313371325/some-tjlc-meta-is-clutching-at-straws-some-of-it

mrshouse · June 10, 2014 7:48 am

Not sure, Susi. It might be responded to along the well known lines of :" Sorry, just don't see that..."

SusiGo · June 10, 2014 7:55 am

You are right. So let us enjoy this among us and not start the tedious discussion again.

SolarSystem · June 10, 2014 8:12 am

Very nice link, Susi. I especially like it because I can relate to the author saying that she had noticed all of these things on her own, without having read anything about it. I certainly hadn't noticed all of it before I started to do, you know, all this Johnlock stuff... but to me the show especially appealed because I almost immediately realized that there was something going on between Sherlock and John.
So I can only agree with the author, we don't need meta to tell us all these things, because they are there, for everyone to see. But it's... nice to read what other people see and what they think about it. Scientific research at its best.

Last edited by SolarSystem (June 10, 2014 8:13 am)

SusiGo · June 10, 2014 8:14 am

I think there a good and bad metas. Some things I read are really far-fetched but there are others that are just brilliant. And they made me notice things I had not seen (or observed) before.

SolarSystem · June 10, 2014 8:26 am

Yes, I agree. And they can give you an impulse to think about certain things in a new light. And of course, it's a lot of fun.

SusiGo · June 10, 2014 8:30 am

Yes. And to give yourself a try at writing something.

SusiGo · June 11, 2014 7:25 am

So simple, so true:

http://gaydeductions.tumblr.com/post/88395031680/john-there-are-two-people-that-i-love-and-care

SolarSystem · June 11, 2014 9:11 am

Wonderful and so true. When it comes to love and especially her love for John, Mary only talks about it when it's about defending herself in HLV. Those two men, on the other hand...

SolarSystem · June 11, 2014 10:10 am

It's from the pilot, I know, but still...

http://junejuly15.tumblr.com/post/88097280107/sherlock-and-john-the-unaired-pilot