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Re: Sherlock’s Sexuality: An In-Depth Contemplation and Study
Indeed, I knew it from Austen.
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- Harriet
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Re: Sherlock’s Sexuality: An In-Depth Contemplation and Study
I have to say, I really feel sorry now for those poor guys who are not supposed to have a decent ejaculation in their room whenever they feel like it.
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- besleybean
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Re: Sherlock’s Sexuality: An In-Depth Contemplation and Study
Who says they can't?
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- Harriet
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Re: Sherlock’s Sexuality: An In-Depth Contemplation and Study
At least I have hope that, since BBC Sherlock uses now cabs instead of hansoms, they will also modernize the meaning of ejaculate 
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- besleybean
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Re: Sherlock’s Sexuality: An In-Depth Contemplation and Study
The English language has done that already, without the need of Gatiss or Moffat.
Of course they do update language and ideas.
But they have remained true to the Holmes -Watson bromance, which is central to the stories.
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- Harriet
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Re: Sherlock’s Sexuality: An In-Depth Contemplation and Study
Including frequent ejaculations, I know 
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Re: Sherlock’s Sexuality: An In-Depth Contemplation and Study
Of both kinds, at least for John.
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- Harriet
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Re: Sherlock’s Sexuality: An In-Depth Contemplation and Study
Well, see, we finally met halfway Now all you need is to acknowledge ACD's Sherlock's ejaculations as well
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Re: Sherlock’s Sexuality: An In-Depth Contemplation and Study
I do.
It was a common term for exclamation in ACD's time...as I already said.
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- Harriet
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Re: Sherlock’s Sexuality: An In-Depth Contemplation and Study
Yes. And a common term for ejaculations as well 
But this has a serious background. I'm convinced that ACD knew he could not dare to write about his couple openly,
so he wrote as much as he could and gave hints for those who were not infested by homophobia and they recognised the truth.
While the others or the ignorant would not take any offence and could stick to a bromance theory.
Wouldn't be the first time in history and literature that minorities needed to protect themselves like that.
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... but there may be some new players now. It’s okay. The East Wind takes us all in the end.
- ancientsgate
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Re: Sherlock’s Sexuality: An In-Depth Contemplation and Study
Harriet wrote:
Now, this makes me curious: Do you use this word on a daily base?
I don't even use it on an annual basis, for either of its two meanings.
- besleybean
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Re: Sherlock’s Sexuality: An In-Depth Contemplation and Study
Harriet.
Have you read his autobiography or any biographies to support this theory?
The biography I read made no mention of it.
I am unaware that any of his papers or that any of his family refer to it.
AG:. neither do I, it's rather Victorian in it's term for exclamation.
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- Harriet
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Re: Sherlock’s Sexuality: An In-Depth Contemplation and Study
That's what I'm talking about. The word for it is Being Silenced.
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Yes. And a common term for ejaculations as well
Not anymore it isn't. No one in my lifetime has ever called conversation, dialogue, "talking", expressing oneself in any way, even in a sentence that would end with an exclamation point, an ejaculation. Yes, it is a legit meaning of the word, but not in common usage, at least, as I say, not in the last 50 years that I've ever heard.
I think doctors might call what men do when they climax "ejaculation", the semen being the "ejaculate". But it's not what regular people would call it. lol
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Re: Sherlock’s Sexuality: An In-Depth Contemplation and Study
You got me wrong, dear. I said it was used for both things in ACDs days.
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... but there may be some new players now. It’s okay. The East Wind takes us all in the end.
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Re: Sherlock’s Sexuality: An In-Depth Contemplation and Study
Well yes.
But we know ACD meant the exclamation variety.
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- Harriet
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Re: Sherlock’s Sexuality: An In-Depth Contemplation and Study
Do we? Why didn't he say "exclaimed" then?
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Eventually everyone will support Johnlock. Independent OSAJ Affiliate
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Re: Sherlock’s Sexuality: An In-Depth Contemplation and Study
Because as a writer he can use whatever term he likes...I still await the evidence to back your theory, as well as the answer to my question.
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Re: Sherlock’s Sexuality: An In-Depth Contemplation and Study
But this has a serious background. I'm convinced that ACD knew he could not dare to write about his couple openly, so he wrote as much as he could and gave hints for those who were not infested by homophobia and they recognised the truth. While the others or the ignorant would not take any offence and could stick to a bromance theory. Wouldn't be the first time in history and literature that minorities needed to protect themselves like that.
It's the same today, don't you think? BBC's Sherlock handles johnlock exactly the same, for the same reasons, I presume.
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Re: Sherlock’s Sexuality: An In-Depth Contemplation and Study
It seems that ACD's views on homosexuality were at least more liberal than those of his peers:
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