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The ring Mary is wearing looks much simpler and without gemstones to me.
And another thing I found some time ago. Now we finally have the right thread for this (if not I put it over in the comprehensive JLG):
The floral arrangements at the wedding contain green carnations among other flowers. While I read that green carnations have been quite popular for about ten years there is another assocation:
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Uhm. Susi. Wow. I'm... I'm sure this is just a coincidence. Definitely a coincidence.
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"In ancient Rome, as in 19th-century England, green indicated homosexual affiliations. Victorian men would often pin a green carnation on their lapel as popularized by author Oscar Wilde, who often wore one on his lapel."
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Quod erat demonstrandum.
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Scientific research. I love it.
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SolarSystem wrote:
Scientific research. I love it.
Johnlock has taught me so much.
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Harriet wrote:
So Mary says: We are not yet engaged, but intending to get ("once we...", -> future). We were interrupted the last time and didn't have another occasion yet.
Otherwise she would have said "now that we actually got engaged..."
Once can refer to the past. You know, once upon a time? Once we got engaged=after we got engaged, this happened.
Mary
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In Mary's words your version would be: Once, we actually got engaged, but now it's over.
Because then it was once, aka a single time quite a while ago.
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The actual sentence reads: "Well, once we’ve actually got engaged."
IMO this leaves not doubt whatsoever that they have not become engaged yet. Especially as the sentence is followed by Mary stating that they were interrupted last time.
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Harriet wrote:
In Mary's words your version would be: Once, we actually got engaged, but now it's over.
Because then it was once, aka a single time quite a while ago.
OMG. Just OMG. It's a conjunction, meaning 'as soon as'. As in, "As soon as we got engaged, we were able to set a wedding date."
As for we or we've got engaged, I'm hearing we and the transcript supports that.
And have you considered the point of the gathering? Sherlock has provided champagne (as evidenced by the fact that he's opening and pouring it), so I highly doubt he's celebrating his own return as that's just not his style.
Mary
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I've been trying to tell you it's a conjunction
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SusiGo wrote:
The floral arrangements at the wedding contain green carnations among other flowers. While I read that green carnations have been quite popular for about ten years there is another assocation:
Well observed, researched and deduced, Susi! Worthy of Sherlock himself. That.Was. Amazing!
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maryagrawatson wrote:
OMG. Just OMG. It's a conjunction, meaning 'as soon as'. As in, "As soon as we got engaged, we were able to set a wedding date."
Or maybe as in: As soon as we get engaged, we'll be able to set a wedding date.
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Once we have got actually resolved that issue, there are no more problems anyway.
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For the sake of correctness. I always rely on Ariane DeVere's transcripts as do most people in the fandom and she has this:
MRS HUDSON: Oh! Spring wedding!
MARY: Yeah. Well, once we’ve actually got engaged.
JOHN: Yeah.
MARY (looking pointedly at Sherlock): We were interrupted last time.
JOHN: Yeah.
(Sherlock smiles at her.)
LESTRADE: Well, I can’t wait.
(He raises his glass in a toast.)
I think the engagement is happening only now, in this very moment.
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So at least we witness a delayed engagement.
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A delayed and strange engagement... Mary is sitting on the sofa, John leaves the room together with Sherlock. That's what I call romantic!
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Oh, yes.
So we do not only a strange wedding, but also a strange engagement party. And a strange attempt at proposal as well.
And there is a parallel to the wedding banquet where John and Sherlock leave Mary behind to solve a crime and save a life.
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We also see Sherlock "walking down the aisle" twice. In 221B, when he's in his room and then walks towards John; and during his weeding speech, when he once again walks up to John, saying "It's always you, John Watson, you keep me right...".
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Ahem. Somehow this is turning into a Johnlock thread once again. Wonder why?
(Just for the sake of honesty, KP: the green carnation thing was not my idea. I read about it on tumblr and had a closer look. Amazing what people still find in the episodes)
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