lil wrote:

Jenosborn..yes interesting that he says that about love right then..I wonder if perhaps TGG events with John/Moriarty were on his mind..leading him to realise John had became his disadvantage ..and a sort of ominous expectation of TRF. For Sherlock and Mycroft the writing must of been on the wall..that in order to beat Moriarty...he had to loose the disadvantage.
Hence the sad looks Molly refers to.
Interesting to think...that after all the years following Sherlock...since Carl Powers ..Moriarty only decides to come out and play..or take Sherlock on...so to speak....when he finally seems to have developed a weakness...John.

During the episode of ASIB, we see that Sherlock gets a certain attraction towards Irene (intellectual or sexual whichever you prefer). He was heartbroken over her death and he only knew her for like a few minutes. Already, he seemed to be interested in Irene. Look at his face when he realizes that she is alive. He doesn't know what to say or think. He seems perplexed. 

To me, Sherlock liked Irene more than he let on. He give her her own theme song and even plays it when he was thinking. He deciphered a code she gave him so fast (to impress her) that he didn't realized, foiling Mycroft's plan. He didn't think about that until Mycroft firmly told him that he let Irene in more than he let on. The damstel in distress. Irene comes to him for help against his killers. A promise of love. Irene tells Sherlock that she is in detectives and brain is the new sexy. The pain of loss. She made Sherlock think she was dead, which made Sherlock feel sad (did anyone even notice how hopeful he was that maybe John's counter was message that Irene was alive? His face when he is wrong looks very disappointed and he goes back to writing her song.) Mycroft was worried that it was a danger night so was John and Mrs. Hudson. The joy of redemption. Which ties into the the damstel in distress as she comes to them for help. Also, it seems Sherlock really wanted to work with Irene. 

All of this combines for the end scene where both Irene and Sherlock see that they both let their emotions get in the way. Irene's attraction and fasicnation with Sherlock, using his name as a password for her phone (her heart). Sherlock almost led Mycroft, his own brother to his fall because he wanted to show off towards Irene, to impress her and be loved by her.

John had nothing to do with this episode. He was just like us, trying to figure out what was going on. This episode was about Irene and Sherlock's emotions about each other, about what love can do to anyone.

Also, leads to what happens in TRF, Moriarty puts three gunman aiming at John, Mrs. Hudson, and Lestrade. Moriarty is breaking Sherlock down by showing him that he isn't a machine nor a sociopath. 

He is human and he can bleed. He loves and it hurts.
 

Last edited by LoveIsAViciousMotivator (May 20, 2014 3:48 pm)

tonnaree wrote:

I see Sherlock show way more actual emotion towards John than he does Irene. 
He's cool as ice when the America's barge in guns and all, until they threaten John.  Then we see the great Sherlock Holmes panic.  His hands tremble as he punches in the code to the safe.

The moment he deciphered that code on Irene's phone he looked immediately at John, waiting for his reaction.  He didn't even glance Irene's way until she kissed him on the cheek and then he just looked irritated.

He sits in his mind palce for a couple of hours totally unaware that Irene is even in the room.  And when he comes back the first thing he does is look for John.

Sherlock is fascinated and challanged by Irene but I cannot see that he loves her.
 

Actually, when the American threatens Irene, he does carry the same glance before it is very quick before John is threatened. I didn't notice it until my third watching on the episode. XD

Sherlock doesn't look  irritated when she kisses him. He has the same look he gave John. He is in thought mode there. He wasn't waiting for John's reaction. He was thinking, but interrupt himself it seems when he realized both Irene and John were shocked at how he knew.

He thought John was with him, but his mind is clearly on something else at the moment. He sorts out Coultry? (I don't know how to spell that word. XDD I'm so sorry.) He looks for John because he didn't realize that time has passed and John left him with Irene. 

Oh, I think Sherlock loves Irene. It is just that a relationship between them would be fleeting. *cries*
 

Last edited by LoveIsAViciousMotivator (May 20, 2014 6:34 pm)

SusiGo wrote:

Well, show me the man in love who would remain so detached when a woman like Irene tries to seduce him like that. 

 
Seriously.  At that moment Sherlock could've had her on the floor, twice.  But what does he do, he takes her pulse.

It does seem on the surface than Scandal seems to be about Irene-Sherlock...however that would make it a bit of an oddity considering the ongoing Sherlock-John narrative.  The sum of a part does look different when you have more of the whole..so it seems logical to look back and wonder...what was going on there with Sherlock - John?

Sherlocks sadness/depression seems to exist before Irene turns up...not getting dressed...refusing to leave the flat..cases over the laptop....sitting about in a sheet and a mood seems odd even for Sherlock.
There is an attraction to Irene..but I don't think its her nakedness that affects his diction...I think its the thrill of a worthy adversary.
The few times we see him interact with Irene..he seems annoyed more than anything.

I thought back then it was Moriarty on his mind..and in reflection it seems obvious that would make him concerned for John.

Last edited by lil (May 20, 2014 7:24 pm)

I never said anything about naked Irene in my last two posts, but I really do love that scene so I'll put my two cents in. 

The only reason she was naked was to throw off Sherlock anyway, which she succeed in doing. He couldn't read her except he read her measurements (it shows that Sherlock really did give Irene a good look over, but that wasn't anything sexual. He just got information.) We have two dominant people trying to dominate each other in that scene. Irene wanted to make an impression and she did. They both played the game and got too caught up in something, except Irene was the one who got burned.

Last edited by LoveIsAViciousMotivator (May 20, 2014 8:51 pm)

besleybean wrote:

Except she made him save her!

That is true! Irene got what she wanted in that moment: She is important to him. 

=D

Also, noticed how Sherlock's eyes dilated in that scene. XD

@lil: I still stand with what I said. John really had nothing to do with the last scene. Throughout the episode, John was like the middle man between Sherlock and Irene. Sherlock was acting stranger than usual and John didn't know what Irene was doing. The scene where he meets with Irene and sees she is alive. He is angry because this woman caused his friend pain and he didn't know what it was. Was it love or just a play? Was it heartbreak? Or was it hatred? He doesn't understand Sherlock or Irene. He is confused and tries his best to help Sherlock.

(I'm sorry. This answer was to go on my last post, but I totally forgot about it. Oops. XD)
 

Last edited by LoveIsAViciousMotivator (May 20, 2014 9:14 pm)

I have always maintained that it was at the Pool that Sherlock is first confronted with his love for John.
I mean I think he always cared about him before...
But this was the first defining moment...in the platonic love.

Last edited by besleybean (May 21, 2014 5:43 am)

Sorry, even if John was not in the picture I cannot see "love" in Sherlock's interactions wtih Irene.

LoveIsAViciousMotivator wrote:

tonnaree wrote:

Sorry, even if John was not in the picture I cannot see "love" in Sherlock's interactions wtih Irene.

That's your opinion as is mine of what I believed was going on in that episode. Throughout my last posts, the only thing I was saying was that in the context of that scene between sherlock and Irene and what Sherlock says, "Love is a dangerous disadvantage." John was not the one on Sherlock's mind at that moment. 


 

No, but I believe he was pointing out that Irene's attraction to him was a disadvantage, not the other way around.
 

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tonnaree wrote:

LoveIsAViciousMotivator wrote:

tonnaree wrote:

Sorry, even if John was not in the picture I cannot see "love" in Sherlock's interactions wtih Irene.

That's your opinion as is mine of what I believed was going on in that episode. Throughout my last posts, the only thing I was saying was that in the context of that scene between sherlock and Irene and what Sherlock says, "Love is a dangerous disadvantage." John was not the one on Sherlock's mind at that moment. 


 

No, but I believe he was pointing out that Irene's attraction to him was a disadvantage, not the other way around.
 

I also believe that Sherlock was alluding to Irene's behavior.  as Mycroft warned him:

[quote=]"All lives end; All hearts are broken.  Caring is not an advantage, Sherlock."